Posted on 04/04/2008 11:01:22 AM PDT by Gamecock
You claim that site says "that she, "by her obedience" undid sin." I don't see that.
It’s on this page http://www.maryundoerofknots.com/history.htm
It describes sin as “the knot of disgrace for the human race”, and claims that “Mary, by her obedience, undid it”.
I’ve seen the page.
I have not seen there she undid the knot of sin, which is your claim.
What I find distressing on these threads is the lack of love. All we have as Christians, as human beings even, we have because God loved us. The day we were created, Christ was there, the Word forming our being, writing His own death sentence- but we were worth it to Him. We have caused Him more grief than any son born has caused his own Mother and yet he loves us still. Do I know for absolute certain that I am saved? No I don’t- I don’t know what kind of person I’ll be tomorrow, or ten years from now- I know God thought free will worth the price and so I work out my salvation in fear and trembling.
I do know I love my Lord. I know he loves me. I do my best with the gifts he gave me to serve him as well as my imperfections allow and everyday of my life I fall short of what His love demands, for I am the greatest of sinners. Maybe not if you quantify it down to the tiniest jot- a red ant is twice the size of a black ant, you know- but when we look down at them they are all ant-sized. My smallest sin is so great, so repelling to the majesty of God, that it required the blood of He who loved me most to wash it away. What a gift! What a mercy!
And so He loves us all. Once we see that, how could we help but love Him in return. To love Him is to serve Him. I;m not saying that this love excuses us from proselytizing those who do not have the fullness of the faith, whether you believe that fullness is Catholic or Calvinist, but for pity’s sake, for the sake of our Lord bleeding on that cross and suffering the anguish of a billion human hells, let us do what we do in love!
Let love, His love, form every word that pours forth from us in His defense, and the defense of what He has given us. Love demands love- without love there will be no conversions, no charity, no unity. So my brothers and sisters posting here, remember our Lord, and love one another.
What else could be the phrase “knot of disgrace for the human race” mean, in a proclaiming Christian context? Especially since the site claims it was “based on the parallel made by Saint Paul between Adam and Christ. Saint Irenaeus, in turn, made a comparison between Eve and Mary” ?
It is difficult to be charitable with the uncharitable, or to show love to those who come to these threads with malicious black hearts intent to pitch all manner of insults, slanders, slurs and sneering derision at your faith.
It means what it says, not what you want it to say. It does not say she undoes the sin (or have I missed that quote?), it says she undoes the knot of disgrace.
What on Earth is a “knot of disgrace”, if not sin? If not sin, is it a mere short coming on our Earthly plans? If so, is Mary then the RCC version of Tony Robbins?
How exasperating it must be that you cannot rearrange the words of this website to fit the criticism you want to fling—you know, the criticism of what it does not say.
So help me out. What can meant by the phrase, “knot of disgrace for the human race” - in the context of “the parallel made by Saint Paul between Adam and Christ”?
But it is nevertheless what we are called to do. Was not our very own Lord spat upon, beaten, ridiculed, sentence to the most ignominious death devised at that time? Yet out of love He turned the other cheek, allowed Himself to be led to the slaughter, a willing sacrifice. And how do we repay that love? By turning on our lost bretheren like wolves. He asks of us nothing more than what he has already shown can be done.
All who profess themselves Christians are slaves of Christ. No matter how mistaken or misguided, they are the property of their Master, as are we. A little charity is very cheap compared to the Price that was paid for whomever you are arguing with.
Of course we are.
And how do we repay that love? By turning on our lost bretheren like wolves.
Speak for yourself.
I’m sorry if this has come across personally. I find so much to sorrow over in all these threads lately, Catholic flamebait, protestant flamebait, you’re post about feeling driven away struck me, so I responded in a general way to an individual post. Please forgive me any offense I have caused you.
Please, also, pray with me for an increase in charity in these threads.
I will do so.
Meanwhile, may we who are Catholic find better work in the Lords vinyard. Certainly, by staying away, we wont be bait for more vitriol.
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I can't disagree, ROE, that it is often seems best to step away. It's clear that there are some who appear to be filled with hatred, and seem to believe they are entitled to unleash that hatred upon others. Still, one might also argue that we are instructed to be "soldiers of Christ". Call me conflicted. :)
Good points.
He was certainly playing The Game.
And what is your understanding of the Immaculate Conception?
Demonstrate that you are not playing “the Game” by answering the question:
What can meant by the phrase, knot of disgrace for the human race - in the context of the parallel made by Saint Paul between Adam and Christ?
I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that the reason so many RC's fall such sad prey to such hideous blasphemy and idolatry . . . is because . . .
instead of a steady vision of CHRIST LIFTED UP . . .
AND THEN CHRIST AND HIS TRAIN FILLING THE TEMPLE . . .
All they see is the RC edifice and all the idols and similar distractions.
ANYONE WHO HAS EVER HAD AN EMPHATIC, IMPACTFUL, BURNING-TO-THE-BONE-MARROW VISION OF THE RISEN CHRIST
won't settle for cheap UNBiblical also rans . . . of any sort or name . . . ever again.
Maybe that should be more our prayer focus . . . less against, per se, satan's tool with the Magnificent Magical Earth-Mother Mary caricature . . . and more that they see CHRIST LIFTED UP . . . to the point that they realize . . . woe is me, a man of unclean lips and fingers.
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