Posted on 04/28/2008 6:33:10 AM PDT by NYer
Can you be more specific?
Actually, I'm standing on very solid ground ... the attitude of those who most loudly clamour for female ordination closely mirrors (IMHO) that of those men who have of late behaved most disgracefully in the priesthood.
I’d just prefer they didn’t vote.
Only half kidding.
We didn’t get all this unconstitutional socialist crap until the 19th was passed,
and women ARE more inclined to vote for “take care of me” instead of “leave me alone to be free” policies.
It’s not a democracy, you’re right. That’s one of the reasons the Catholic Church in the United States is dying. It’s a kind of authority not embraced in our society, for better or worse.
I’m happy in my parish for the moment, and still have hope for my Church, a seriously flawed entity (surely we can all agree on that one), but one full of many good people.
The Catholic Church has adapted to society throughout its history, though often at a slow pace. If you think otherwise, you’re kidding yourself.
Your humble opinion, IMHO, is baseless, bigoted nonsense.
Hmm...take away the votes of half the population so your side has a better chance of winning...
That doesn’t sound like democracy to me.
I’d prefer not. I think you can figure it out.
No, explain it. Otherwise, it’s a baseless accusation.
If you take the Bridegroom/Bride metaphor so literally that you really think it’s required that someone representing the “Bridegroom” have male genitalia, then how do you explain your role as the “Bride” if you also have male genitalia?
You take it literally when it suits you, poetically when it doesn’t.
Fascinating ...
Hmmm ...
Religious life? Old, anti-traditional orders are indeed dying ... whilst new, orthodox orders are thriving. But MSM won't tell you that.
Vocations to the priesthood? Easy to find ... just look for dioceses where the Bishop hasn't fallen for the least-common-denominator "relevance" that the proponents of democracy in the Church have been clamouring for these last 40 years.
Overflowing Parishes? Easy to find. You'll usually find an orthodox, faithful, courageous, self-sacrificing priest as Pastor.
My opinion here may or may not be bigoted, but it is securely based on Scripture, Tradition, and my observations of the Church for a few decades.
From the essay:
We men may often make very bad priests. That is because we are insufficiently masculine. It is no cure to call in those who are not masculine at all.
Did you not read what I said? A priest is a symbol of that relationship. I said that. Symbols have real meaning. You’re the one taking it to this absurd/bizarre homosexual component.
There is a small subset of Catholics moving toward a more fundamentalist approach. But in the real world, the sheer numbers are alarming. More and more parishes with no priests, shrinking attendance, rampant school closings. The majority of new priests are coming from other continents, and there aren’t nearly enough of them. The status quo is not working.
Thanks maryz. :-)
I think something very obvious is going right over your head, but I think it’s best to leave you be.
Look, I don’t think like you. I’m not a mind reader. Stop beating around the bush, and converse like a considerate human being.
I live in the real world. I see overflowing parishes. I see new parishes being built. I see new schools being built. I see packed seminaries.
No, I'm not in SSPX land ... not even in FSSP land. I'm in Virginia.
You want new priests? Find an orthodox bishop.
You want new religious? Find an orthodox order.
You want dying parishes, closed schools? Find a "relevant" bishop, who's trying to "give the people what they want".
Sorry, lady, you can't snow me with this stuff. I've seen too much first hand.
democracy?
hmmm... sounds like you haven’t been Constitutionally educated.
I’m well aware. The metaphor, if treated literally, is rather hugely, humorously and ironically flawed, which is why it clearly isn’t meant to be treated so literally.
I’ve been working in the Catholic Church for many years. Your “real world” is a fantasy, I’m sorry to say.
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