Posted on 05/02/2008 12:03:45 PM PDT by colorcountry
In short, now that the Catholic Church knows what the LDS is doing with these records that avenue of research is forever closed to them.
How is hat a re-write of history? Posthumous baptisms, believe in them or not, HAVE been common practice for the Latter-day Saints since 1840.
This is just plain bizarre.
Okay you're in the non-believing category, but still doesn't change that they are and have been common practice for the Latter-day Saints.
Surely if a person wanted to be baptized as an adult, he could have chosen, of his own free will, to do so.
What of my ancestors that were born prior to 1840? I have my family history going back to 1450. That's about 400 years of ancestors that I know of that didn't ever have the chance to be baptized due to chronology of birth. What of those that never had a chance to be baptized or learn about my, or any other church for that matter, due to geography of birth?
Doesn't sound like to me they had any choice at all in the matter.
The LDS believe that even though the baptisms are posthumous the person receiving the baptism still has the choice to accept it or not even after death. If not accepted it changes nothing for them.
Grig,
I like you, but really didn’t think there is any
way to communicate how offensive the mormonism
practice of baptizing people of other faiths is.
I did my best to try.
This afternoon, in the privacy of my home temple,
I will name you and renounce your works for you,
using similar Masonic practices, just like mormonism’s
Masonic rituals. You will soon be freed from works
righteousness, which is false.
best,
ampu
I am sorry, it really was a typo, but you have to admit an easily made one.
That is horse poop, you got to be dead to be rebaptised and you have to have LDS relatives. In the main you have to be an Ancestor of an LDS member to qualify.
Actually, she would have to say, "DAMN! The mormons won't let me drink at all...be back in a jiffy!"
Exactly!
Hey, let’s also make them wear pink underwear in the afterlife ...
And use wine in their communion service ;)
At the risk of being flamed, I have to ask..what actual GOOD comes out of all this genealogy research? Is it used to trace inheirited diseases or something? Of what value is the notion that your line can be traced back to Adam as I have seen claimed here? Really, I am curious.
The dead aren't counted as members, however I'm sure that the mormon infatuation with statistics requires the tally be kept for some reason. I have heard that some names are being baptized over and over, and if the Catholics have cut off access to their records, that may become in fact necessary.
The LDS temple baptism for the dead has to keep going in order to give the members the initiative for temple attendance and coincidentally, keep the tithes coming in to insure temple worthiness.
If they stopped baptizing for the dead, then they would have no reason to go to the Temple and hence no incentive to be "Temple Worthy".
Well I guess they could always start a practice of "Marrying for the Dead".
Perhaps if these dead were proxy baptized into Jesus Christ, and NOT confirmed into the mormon church and required to undergo OTHER proxy ceremonies before they are "worthy" of reaching the Heaven where God resides, your claim about "holes in theology" would be valid.
Gee, what an idea...perhaps you could suggest it?
We are supposed to be surprised that the "vicar general of the Diocese of Salt Lake City makes such a statement??? ROTFL! Utah?
Do you believe baptism is necessary for salvation? If so, how does your faith answer the question?
TOTALLY WRONG!
Morbid Mormons: Since the 1990s the Mormon Church has been posthumously baptizing Jews and adding them to its genealogical database in Salt Lake City. But the Latter Dayers went too far when they baptized by proxy legendary — and dead — Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, according to the Jewish Telegraphic Association.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center has called on the Mormon Church to remove its namesake from the church�s on-line database of posthumous baptisms, and to be quick about it.
Proxy baptism is a caring expression of faith that provides deceased persons the opportunity to accept or reject what we believe to be a blessing offered in their behalf.Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Wiesenthal Center, made the urgent request after being informed by Salt Lake City researcher Helen Radkey that Wiesenthal�s name had been added about a week ago to the Mormons� International Genealogical Index.
�We are astounded and dismayed that after assurances and promises by the Mormon Church, Mr. Wiesenthal�s life and memory, along with so many other Jews, would be trampled and disregarded,� Hier said.
Wiesenthal �proudly lived as a Jew, died as a Jew, demanded justice for the millions of the victims of the Holocaust and, at his request, was buried in the State of Israel,� he said.
�It is sacrilegious for the Mormon faith to desecrate his memory by suggesting that Jews on their own are not worthy enough to receive God�s eternal blessing.�
Hier also urged the Utah-based Church to remove the names of all other Holocaust victims from the list.
Many Jews, including Holocaust victims, have been found on the index.
Mormon officials promised in 1995 to stop the practice of posthumously baptizing Jews, but did not. They reiterated the pledge in 2000.
Strangely, the Mormon Church is not just baptizing the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, it also has baptized the architect of the Holocaust — Adolf Hitler — as well as Hitler’s parents and his girlfriend Ava Braun. That happened back in 1993, as uncovered by intrepid researcher Helen Radkey. There has always been controversy surrounding the question of whether Hitler was Jewish, due to the fact that his father might have been illegitimate with an unnamed Jewish father, though most sources agree that there is no convincing proof he was Jewish. What authorities do agree on is that Hitler was afraid of discovering that he was a Jew, which was a driving force in his decision to pursue the Final Solution.
Apparently, the Mormons have been doing this kind of thing since the mid 1800s
Perhaps cutting off the furnishing of Catholic names will be successful in stopping the practice for Catholics.
What question? The one on "You play defense for a while"?
” Strangely, the Mormon Church is not just baptizing the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, it also has baptized the architect of the Holocaust — Adolf Hitler — as well as Hitler’s parents and his girlfriend Ava Braun. That happened back in 1993, as uncovered by intrepid researcher Helen Radkey. “
I guess this means the Mormon church thinks Hitler was just misunderstood, and wish him well. What else can this mean?
TOTALLY OUT OF DATE!
You left out the part that in part because of the Jewish controversy the new policy is that you have to be a direct descendant of the person you submit to be posthumously baptized. Previous it was just to stop posthumously baptizing Jews, the new policy is any ancestors must show direct lineage.
To be fair, there may be some areas that are less enforced then others. My area is most definitely enforced though.
...We thank thee oh lord for a profit...
I see no humor in this that is very borderline of you Foxx!:)
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