[fishtank]

Fine.

Jesus was born of Mary.

But I don’t need to follow her, or pray to her, or to ‘believe’ in her.

She was a sinner who needed a Savior.

[mike182d]

But I don’t need to follow her, or pray to her, or to ‘believe’ in her.

No one said you had to. But if your pursuit is knowledge of Christ, who knows more about a child, or has a more intimate relationship with them, than their mother?

[muawiyah]

Minor difference I'm sure, but Mary's birth was foretold in prophecy.

From the very foundation she was/is a special category person. Although I don't agree with the Catholic church in the way it goes about dealing with this special situation I'm not in a position to offer any substitute for them beyond noting that her existence was prophesied. Mine wasn't. Yours wasn't. Doggone near nobody for the last 2000 years was. Hers was.

[LurkingSince'98]

She was a sinner who needed a Savior.

Wrong wrong wrong.

The Angel Gabriel announced to the world “Hail Full of grace”.

And the kecharitomene is the past perfect form meaning ALWAYS full of grace.

You cannot have always been full of grace and be a sinner.

Lurking’

[LurkingSince'98]

She was a sinner who needed a Savior.

Wrong wrong wrong.

The Angel Gabriel announced to the world “Hail Full of grace”.

And the kecharitomene is the past perfect form meaning ALWAYS full of grace.

You cannot have always been full of grace and be a sinner.

Lurking’

[CatQuilt]

Two words for you...Immaculate Conception

I guess neither you nor I were very well-catcheiszed when we were growing up. I too fell away from the Faith. I’m so happy I remained Catholic (back 3 years now!)

Lynne