[restornu]

CTR

[onedoug]

I think Luther also waxed quite antisemitic in his later, uh...theology.

[Grunthor]

“Luther found it necessary to base his authority on the Bible.”

Yeah, that’s always a bad idea.

(bigtime sarcasm)

[Revelation 911]

I have to wonder how long a thread, critical of Jos Smith (your religions founder) would be allowed to stand before it wa deleted as flame bait.

Can you honestly tell us why you posted this?

I get the impression that rather than evangelize or correct Christians your faith see's as errant, your intent seems to be to foment divisiveness and conflict.

[Petronski]

Ironically, the Reformation, with its emphasis on scripture and rejection of long-standing tradition, led to schisms within Protestantism itself.

That's not ironic at all, but inevitable. Everyone making up their own thing as they go? Growth rates could help but be exponential.

[joebuck]

"John Calvin, for example, emphasized the concept of predestination, an idea also advanced by Luther."

Calvin never "emphasized" the concept of predestination. It didn't even appear in the first three editions of Institutes. Once it did appear the topic takes up about 50 pages out of 1500. Calvin was almost apologetic about predestination when he did include it, pointing out that he didn't like the implications of it but it was unavoidable as the logical conclusion of the true nature of Grace.

[SkyPilot]

Eck responded with the words of Augustine,(a man and a sinner -like the rest of us - why didn't he quote holy scripture?) "I should not believe the Gospel did not the authority of the Church lead me thereto." Luther replied that it was the Bible that had brought the Church into existence, being a revelation of Christ. Historically, this is incorrect; Christ founded the Church, but none of the books of the New Testament were written during the Savior's sojourn in mortality.

Ha!

The WORST debate counter point ever produced!

[Petronski]

Luther removed James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation from their normal places and relegated them to the end of the New Testament, as not being entitled to the same status as other biblical books. In his New Testament table of contents, he numbered books 1-23 and then placed the four rejected ones without numbers.

He had his own vision, and was not about to let a lousy technicality like The Inspired Word of God get in his way.

[narses]

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[TheDon]

Thanks for the post. I never would have guessed Luther was so hostile to various books of the Bible. Quite interesting. So much for sola scriptura!

[FastCoyote]

[It would be wrong to conclude that Martin Luther was a “Mormon” or that he saw everything the same way Joseph Smith did, but it is equally wrong to think that Luther’s beliefs and teachings were identical to those found among modern Evangelical Christians.]

Nice try Restornu. Luther was an intellectual, but also a down to earth man. He would have kicked Joseph Smith down the Street and into the River for the crap Joe was peddling, both intellectually and physically. Luther also wasn’t for bigamy, though he was forced to look aside at a ruler’s indiscretion.

Joseph Smith was a superstitious intellectual lightweight compared to Luther

[xone]

However, the great reformer would not recognize himself in the dogmatic way in which such ideas are taught today.

I suppose you could claim that about some Protestant denominations. LCMS/WELS would disagree. But from a Mormon perspective? LOL. It would be over with the nature of GOD. Luther was a Trinitarian, Mormon, not so much. JS couldn't pour Luther's beer.

[svcw]

Oh, come on Abraham a Christian!!!! LOL