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Posted on 05/08/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Grig
They came as a cardboard put-together. Rich friend got one. He also got one of those baking soda subs. His mother was a ‘single mom’ so he played her for everything he wanted. I think he was the illegitimate son of a congressman in DC.
I remember the cost too - $7 seemed to be a lot then, now it doesn’t even hardly cover a happy meal.
My favorite was the cardboard Sherman Tank, with a cardboard tube cannon barrel you made by rolling up cardstock and taping it. It was all a profile you got behind to pretend you were in a tank.
Now that I think about it, the sub my friend got wasn’t a Polaris, didn’t shoot ‘missles’ only torpedoes. I wonder ... yikes! I’m showing my age!
I am still trying to get tickets for a tour of the Nephite ruins and see the Jewish Indians...
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That’s a Travelin’ Medicine Show..
The ruins are in Yemen this year...
Check with Warren Ashton...
“We were exceedingly rejoiced when we came to the seashore; and we called the place Bountiful because of its much fruit” (1 Nephi 17:6)
http://www.bountifultours.com/tour.html
“His next tour in October 2008 has been promoted in Meridium Magazine 2008 Tour - “In Lehi & Sariah’s Footsteps” 13 days exploring Israel, Jordan and Oman”
http://www.meridianmagazine.com/gospeldoctrine/080116nephi.html
That is one yummy looking Yellow Submarine...
Got milk ?????
Nope, need Jolt Cola for that one LOL
Just found out that I can subscribe to this guy via iTunes - free either podcast of videopod cast.
If they can keep their own story straight, how do they expect us to keep track...
Really?
How?
Defend your comparison of the man Jospeh Smith with Jesus Christ again.
And just to show how disingenuous your post could be perceived, I'll make a challenge to you on just one of your points. You claim that Joseph Smith had sex w/ over 29 women. Please provide links w/ irrefutable evidence that Joseph Smith had SEX w/ over 29 women. If you can provide irrefutable evidence that that is so, i.e. babies, DNA, etc., I will leave the board never to return. However, if you cannot, you agree to leave the board never to return. Deal?
Ouuuugh! A CHALLENGE! You want DNA proof that your "prophet" didn't diddle women?
Before I give you ample evidence via links that document what Joe did (which you will ignore or change the subject regarding thereof); I predict you will then change the subject about about Joe Smith's rape of women - is there anything else I can provide?
Would you like photos of his sexually abusing girls under the age of 16?
Would you like video of his performing rape?
Anything else you want to demand?
The sad fact is that your "prophet" raped these women and girls. I'll provide links to document it - and you will deny them.
WOW that link has lots of info...
That was Doctor Bennett...
In addition to marrying already-pregnant women, there is some evidence that abortion was practiced in Nauvoo...
LDS Elder Ebenezer Robinson testified that Hyrum Smith “instructed me in Nov or Dec 1843 to make a selection of some young woman and he would seal her to me, and I should take her home,” he recalled, “and if she should have an offspring give out word that she had a husband, an Elder, who had gone on a foreign mission.” Possibly referring to a secluded birthplace, or conceivably to abortion, Robinson spoke of “a place appointed in Iowa, 12 or 18 miles from Nauvoo to send female victims to his polygamous births.”
- Ebenezer Robinson to Jason W. Briggs, Jan. 28, 1880, LDS archives. On December 29, 1873, Ebenezer and Angeline Robinson signed an affidavit saying that Hyrum Smith had come to their house in the fall of 1843 to teach them the doctrine of polygamy.
Hyrum Smith also documented Nauvoo abortions, and interestingly enough, blamed it on a doctor and close associate of Joseph Smith. Hyrum testified that Dr. Bennett was propositioning women in a similar fashion to Joseph Smith. “[Dr. Bennett] endeavored to seduce them, and accomplished his designs by saying it was right; that it was one of the mysteries of God, which was to be revealed when the people was strong enough in faith to bear such mysteriesthat it was perfectly right to have illicit intercourse with females, providing no one knew it but themselves, vehemently trying them from day to day, to yield to his passions, bringing witnesses of his own clan to testify that there were such revelations and such commandments, and that they were of God; also stating that he would be responsible for their sins, if there were any, and that he would give them medicine to produce abortions, provided they should become pregnant.”
- Affidavit of Hyrum Smith. Official History of the Church, Vol. 5, p.71
Pretend Marriages in Case of Pregnancy
According to church historian Andrew Jenson, Sarah Ann Whitney became the seventh plural wife of Joseph Smith, and the story of his marriage to her illustrates another strategy. She disguised her relationship to the prophet by pretending to marry Joseph Corodon Kingsbury on April 29, 1843. In his autobiography Kingsbury wrote: “I according to Pres. Joseph Smith & Council & others agreed to stand by Sarah Ann Whitney as though I was supposed to be her husband and [participated in] a pretended marriage for the purpose of . . . Bringing about the purposes of God in these last days . . .”
- Elder Joseph Kingsbury, “History of Joseph Kingsbury Written by His Own Hand,” page 5, Utah State Historical Society
If Not Sex, What Was Joseph Smith Doing?
Most of Smith’s plural wives boarded with other families, whom he visited periodically. His secretary, William Clayton, recorded one such visit to young Almera Johnson on May 16, 1843: “Prest. Joseph and I went to B[enjamin] F. Johnsons to sleep.” Johnson himself later noted that on this visit Smith stayed with Almera “as man and wife” and “occupied the same room and bed with my sister, that the previous month he had occupied with the daughter of the late Bishop Partridge as his wife.” Almera Johnson also confirmed her secret marriage to Joseph Smith: “I lived with the prophet Joseph as his wife and he visited me at the home of my brother Benjamin F.”
While in hiding, Joseph Smith wrote a revealing letter which he addressed to her parents, Newel and Elizabeth Whitney, inviting them to bring their daughter to visit him “just back of Brother Hyrums farm.” He advised Brother Whitney to “come a little a head and knock at the south East corner of the house at the window.” He assured them, especially Sarah Ann, that “it is the will of God that you should comfort me now.” He stressed the need for care “to find out when Emma comes,” but “when she is not here, there is the most perfect saftey.” The prophet warned them to “burn this letter as soon as you read it” and “keep all locked up in your breasts.” In closing he admonished, “I think Emma won’t come to night if she dont, dont fail to come tonight.”
- http://www.xmission.com/%7Eresearch/family/strange.htm
Joseph Smith Promised to Cover for Polgamy Pregnancies
Joseph Smith taught the “Law of Celestial Marriage” to his close friend and secretary, William Clayton. When the pregnancy of William Clayton’s first plural wife threatened to expose them, the prophet Joseph Smith advised Clayton to “just keep her at home and brook it and if they raise trouble about it and bring you before me I will give you an awful scourging and probably cut you off from the church and then I will baptize you and set you ahead as good as ever.”
- William Clayton journal, Oct. 19, 1843.
Read more here:
http://www.i4m.com/think/joseph-smith-polygamy.htm
there are a lot of related videos there too that have very interesting information.
Several months ago, I was astonished to have one of the infamous apologists claim the BofM was translated using ther Urim and Thummim, and when I showed him the quote from Smith's 'scribe' stating Joe used his 'peepstone in the hat' trick with absolutely no plates in front of him, the apologist blighthly skipped on into some other foolishness in an effort to distract from the blatant fabrications, gross lies, and insidious heresies at the heart of mrmonism!
A similar thing happened with accusations from the BM apologists that God gave Saul's wives to David while Saul was still alive thus polyandry/polygamy was directly justified by God! When the corrected timeline was shown to the poster from the OT (that Saul's household was placed in David's after Saul was dead), the issue miraculously shifted to polygamy is not specifically spoken against in the OT, ignoring completely the fact that the BM expressly prohibits polygamy and polyandry!
It is no wonder some have said discussing mormonism vagaries with mormon apologists is like trying to nail jell-o to a wall. Yet the apologists whine that we don't want reasoned debate!
On another thread here Elder D. Todd Christofferson states:
This witness often comes in feelingsa burning, a peace, a feeling of assurance, a sense of enlightenment.
Former Mormon Bishop Simon G. Southerton, now arch villain of DNA proof of bom falseness states from his first hand experience:
Many Mormons have a firm belief that Native Americans are largely descended from Israelites as a consequence of believing the Book of Mormon. Feeling-based beliefs are far less reliable than Mormons would care to admit, and science has proven that these beliefs have no basis in fact. Joseph Smith is the source of the Book of Mormon, as well as the source of the miraculous feeling-based formula that is supposed to prove beyond a doubt it is true. If the Book of Mormon has no place in reality, could there also be a flaw in Smiths feeling-based truth formula?
People have been waiting for 175 years for credible scientific evidence of any description to support the historical claims of the Book of Mormon. How long do we need to wait to prove we are patient? With each passing year, new information sheds more light on the colonization of the Americas, and with each year we find the claims of the Book of Mormon being shrunk by LDS apologists.
I believe that faith can flourish when people are told the truth from whatever and all available sources. It makes no sense to insist on a belief in the unbelievable. There is an important difference here. In my case, for thirty years my religious orientation was accompanied by a distorted understanding of the true history of Americas past. Not only did I know little of the science that was applicable to this issue, I, like many Mormons, had been bombarded with the widespread urban legends in the church. BYU scholars always seemed to be finding archaeological evidence in Mesoamerica that supported the Book of Mormon and I was informed that the Smithsonian Institution had used the Book of Mormon as a guide in some of their research. Scientific truth exposed my faith in a book that has no historical connection with the ancestors of the American Indians or Polynesians.
One can read the testimonies of many other former mormons - all saying very similar things - it is the feeling that is important, not any truth to the contrary.
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