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08-May-2008 | Grig

Posted on 05/08/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Grig

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.


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1 posted on 05/08/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig

Signed (by proxy, having been given his consent) by Illbay


2 posted on 05/08/2008 5:05:41 PM PDT by Grig (I love animals... as long as they are not overcooked.)
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To: Grig

Thanks for the warning.


3 posted on 05/08/2008 5:08:09 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Grig
Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA.

And you find that judging a person's fitness for president cannot legitimately take into account whether he believes certain things?

I will elaborate, if you wish, but I fear that you might brand any criticism as "anti-Mormon" if it is strongly worded, regardless of its validity.

4 posted on 05/08/2008 5:08:43 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Grig
Have you counted the number of Southern Baptist bashes when Huckabee was in the running.

This is an opinion forum. There are freepers of many denominations and even some atheist.

5 posted on 05/08/2008 5:11:28 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Grig

Signed by Sevenbak


6 posted on 05/08/2008 5:13:01 PM PDT by sevenbak (1 Corinthians 2:14)
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To: Coldwater Creek
[...]and even some atheist.

Oh, but nobody EVER bashes them!!!




</sarc>

7 posted on 05/08/2008 5:13:10 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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Self ping


8 posted on 05/08/2008 5:13:38 PM PDT by indcons
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To: Grig

I’m not a Mormon but I like Mormons as much as I like Protestants, Catholics and Jews. I think you are being overly sensitive. I too have noticed an uptick in LDS related threads casting LDS in a less than positive light. However, I took that as being due to disruptors worried about the campaign of Romney and now worried about McCain tapping Romney for VP.


9 posted on 05/08/2008 5:15:58 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Grig
I am no Mormon, and after learning the things that I have (more than 30 years ago) about that particular segment of society it was clear that I never could or would be at all part of it.

That said, it appears to me that many FReepers hold an irrational hatred for Mormons which became evident after the Presidential campaign of Mitt Romney seemed viable.

10 posted on 05/08/2008 5:17:20 PM PDT by Radix (Q. What do you call a row of rabbits walking backwards? A. A receding hare line.)
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To: Grig

I have nothing against Mormons or any other peaceful religion. However, I’m not especially thrilled by the prospect of more religious postings that have nothing to do with the news or current events - including especially the ever increasing number of daily Catholic prayers, devotionals, etc. They aren’t newsworthy IMO and while I’m sure there are many here who may enjoy reading them, I think that type of posting should go on its own board or in a different section than “News.”

Just my opinion.


11 posted on 05/08/2008 5:20:24 PM PDT by G.Love (Romney '12)
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To: Grig

Many Freepers have thrown civility out the window this election cycle in favor of rude behavior. Frankly I thought Freepers were far above throwing each under the bus but many have saved thier vitriol for their FRiends when they should have been using it on America’s foes, foreign and domestic.

This is very disapointing but it is the most bizzare election cycle I’ve ever seen and Ive seen quite a few.


12 posted on 05/08/2008 5:23:20 PM PDT by blueheron2
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To: G.Love; Religion Moderator

We have been posting them to the religion forum. The moderators, having very similar concerns as we have, decided on their own for a time to move open LDS threads to the News section.

RM, since the News forum was affected by this, can this thread exist in both forums, or would it be ok to post it again there?


13 posted on 05/08/2008 5:27:21 PM PDT by Grig (I love animals... as long as they are not overcooked.)
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To: sevenbak

Signed by restornu


14 posted on 05/08/2008 5:28:57 PM PDT by restornu (The Mainline spends all its time "playing goalie" hoping others will not READ the BOOK OF MORMON!)
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To: Grig

I have no quarrel with LDS folks who are honest about the teachings of their Church. It has been my experience, however, that a segment of the Mormon posters have been less than candid about the history and teachings of their faith.

As for Illbay, I didn’t know he was a Mormon. I also thought he was well and long gone.

And finally, if you all want to run a Mormon governor for president, try Huntsman - at least he’s conservative, rather than a Yankee liberal.


15 posted on 05/08/2008 5:30:29 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Grig

It’s not rude to call a lie a lie.


16 posted on 05/08/2008 5:31:22 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Grig

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father.

People were happy young people were murdered? I find it sooooo hard to believe. Elizabeth / father probably because it is generally the father who does these things, not because they are lds.


17 posted on 05/08/2008 5:32:15 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: blueheron2

I have to agree. I’m really astonished by the bigotry that has been posted on FR from time to time. For my own personal beliefs I have no preference.


18 posted on 05/08/2008 5:33:29 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Grig

There is NOTHING wrong about not voting for someone based solely on the candidates choice of religion. That’s exactly what Utah did WRT Mike Huckabee and John McCain.

Too many Mormons here who were offended that some FReepers wouldn’t vote for Mitt because he IS NOT CONSERVATIVE, repeatedly drug out the anti-mormon card in their arguments.

Keep posting, the more informed the masses are of LDS beliefs and doctrines, the better off we’ll all be. I for one don’t think you will be helping your own cause at all. We’ll see.

I do have one itching question though, why aren’t the initials COJCOLDS or CJCLDS, seems to me either one would be more accurate.


19 posted on 05/08/2008 5:33:48 PM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Grig

I haven’t seen this many LSD threads since Timothy Leary died.


20 posted on 05/08/2008 5:34:56 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Grig

I don’t mind reading up on things that I don’t know about. I am a Catholic & just would like my deceased family left alone. But I am not bashing Mormons. I have a problem with any person who has sex with minors & practices polygamy where my tax dollars have to pay for their family. Be it FLDS or Muslims. Its not fair & its illegal. I do keep an open mind to reading about any religion so please continue the threads. Thanks!


21 posted on 05/08/2008 5:35:27 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (has never been known to be a sexually depressed religious spigot until today)
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To: svcw
Elizabeth / father probably because it is generally the father who does these things, not because they are lds.

You are correct, regardless of the religion or lack thereof, the father/husband is the number one suspect, if something bad happens to a child or a spouse. The reason you cited is why they are the suspect.

22 posted on 05/08/2008 5:36:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Hillary/Obama or John Mccain - -easy choice for me.)
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To: Grig
Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith.

That is a common internet problem. It is not specific to your particular issue.

The only effective response you can mount is to:

1) Report all abusive posts to the moderator.

2) Reply to the post and refute the allegations.

3) Start your own website where you can moderate the posts.

By the way, most people just weed through the false posts and ignore them. So you are not being shouted down. Your views get heard and registered when you post them. Actively proselytizing your faith is not appropriate to the mission of this site. Such a response will probably get the moderators cracking down on you.

23 posted on 05/08/2008 5:36:24 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Parley Baer

If you have no opinion on a subject you have no basis to judge what is bigotry and what is truth.


24 posted on 05/08/2008 5:37:01 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Grig

I fully support your right to post anything you wish about
mormonism or any other religious belief. I’m with you 100%.

I am also for the free expression of FReepers who disagree
to post their opinions also. I’m with them 100%.

I am against attacks against individual posters, simply
because they hold a differing opinion. I have seen mormons
do this as often as non-mormons. So while you are “hosing
down the pig, be sure you point the hose in all directions.

best,
ampu


25 posted on 05/08/2008 5:37:18 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: svcw

“People were happy young people were murdered? I find it sooooo hard to believe.”

I was there, I saw it. Some freepers were quite happy that there were two less Mormon missionaries around and said so loud and proud.

“Elizabeth / father probably because it is generally the father who does these things, not because they are lds.”

Oh it went way, way beyond that. There was a concerted effort to transform the story into a scandal for the church via the father. Again, I was there and saw it myself, as did many others.


26 posted on 05/08/2008 5:38:30 PM PDT by Grig (I love animals... as long as they are not overcooked.)
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To: G.Love
However, I’m not especially thrilled by the prospect of more religious postings that have nothing to do with the news or current events - including especially the ever increasing number of daily Catholic prayers, devotionals, etc.

Simply formulate your SQL query to exclude religion forum postings.

27 posted on 05/08/2008 5:39:04 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: Grig

I am not saying you don’t believe what you say, it is unbelievable that it was how you remember.


28 posted on 05/08/2008 5:41:17 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: steve86

SQL query? I have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t do any query. Nor do I want to.


29 posted on 05/08/2008 5:42:02 PM PDT by G.Love (Romney '12)
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To: Grig

We need to bash some Seventh-Day Adventists for a change.

Anyone got any Ellen G. White anecdotes?


30 posted on 05/08/2008 5:43:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman; America always; Antonello; asparagus; BlueMoose; Choose Ye This Day; ...

CTR


31 posted on 05/08/2008 5:45:45 PM PDT by restornu (The Mainline spends all its time "playing goalie" hoping others will not READ the BOOK OF MORMON!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
There are so many LSD threads this week because Albert Hofmann, the Swiss chemist who discovered LSD, passed away last week.
32 posted on 05/08/2008 5:45:50 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: megatherium
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33 posted on 05/08/2008 5:51:41 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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To: Grig

Signed by Old Mountain Man.


34 posted on 05/08/2008 5:55:11 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: fso301
I’m not a Mormon but I like Mormons as much as I like Protestants, Catholics and Jews. I think you are being overly sensitive. I too have noticed an uptick in LDS related threads casting LDS in a less than positive light. However, I took that as being due to disruptors worried about the campaign of Romney and now worried about McCain tapping Romney for VP.

Not true. I've been around here for 10 years and the same haters, devoid of the love they preach, have been doing this nonstop. I too am not mormon.

35 posted on 05/08/2008 5:58:21 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Grig
Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down

Nice.....

And you continue to wonder why Christians....oppose mormonism?

BTW, do you think that FLDS being in the news has had any effect on the number of LDS threads?

Are you serious?

36 posted on 05/08/2008 5:58:24 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The U.N. has your interests at heart.............../s)
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To: megatherium
There are so many LSD threads this week because Albert Hofmann, the Swiss chemist who discovered LSD, passed away last week.

Oh, yeah, I gotcha.

So why does everybody keep talking about Mormons?

37 posted on 05/08/2008 5:58:26 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Grig

Signed by invincibily ignorant, a non-mormon.


38 posted on 05/08/2008 6:00:15 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Grig

In my opinion, you are a blatent liar and I’m calling you out.

Here is a link to the thread about the Mormon missionaries. You can read for yourself why it was locked.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1550903/posts

Go to the last page of this thread. It was MORMON trolls who got the thread locked.

Signed by colorcountry - former Mormon, and now you all can see why.


39 posted on 05/08/2008 6:06:36 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Frankly, I want to see more Hare Krishna posts.


40 posted on 05/08/2008 6:08:05 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: DManA
It’s not rude to call a lie a lie.

No, but it's bashing.

/s

41 posted on 05/08/2008 6:08:20 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The U.N. has your interests at heart.............../s)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Not true. I've been around here for 10 years and the same haters, devoid of the love they preach, have been doing this nonstop. I too am not mormon.

I too have been here 10 years and we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Inter-faith sniping does take place here but I noticed no unusual amount directed at LDS until Romney presented himself as a serious candidate.

42 posted on 05/08/2008 6:08:42 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Grig
Signed (by proxy, having been given his consent) by Illbay

"I don't know what to think about those like you. Religion-bashing is apparently not your hobby."
- Illbay to yours truly, April 9, 2003

43 posted on 05/08/2008 6:10:43 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Grig

signed by DelphiUser

See my page by clicking my name to see refutations that were so common I just made a page at FR to address them.


44 posted on 05/08/2008 6:11:04 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Parley Baer
For my own personal beliefs I have no preference.

Well, that explains it.

45 posted on 05/08/2008 6:11:50 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The U.N. has your interests at heart.............../s)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
So while you are “hosing down the pig, be sure you point the hose in all directions. best, ampu

ROFLOL!!!!

46 posted on 05/08/2008 6:13:01 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The U.N. has your interests at heart.............../s)
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To: Grig

Illbay? A previously banned FReeper?

Why is he posting in absentia?

I thought that was frowned on by the head honchos.


47 posted on 05/08/2008 6:14:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Grig

48 posted on 05/08/2008 6:15:12 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: American_Centurion
There has been a Mormon Freeper who has discovered the real history of his church via this forum.

Lets just say he is no longer a Mormon.

He has received hateful freepmail from his former fellow believers. They don't like when someone leaves.

49 posted on 05/08/2008 6:15:51 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: steve86

So, that requires an active “opt out”.

Sort of like someone sending unsolicited spam and saying that they can unsubscribe at any time.


50 posted on 05/08/2008 6:16:00 PM PDT by glorgau
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