Why do Catholics Have a Pope? (A Protestant explains the papacy) [Ecumenical]

Crosswalk ^ | Sarah Jennings

[NYer]

Sources:

1. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2^nd Edition. 1997. Rome: Libreria Editrice Vaticana. http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

2. Ray, Stephen. 1999. Footnotes in Upon This Rock, 32-40. San Fransisc Ignatius Press.

3. Joyce, G.H. 1910. “Pope,” in The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VII. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm

4. Toner, P.J. 1910. “Infallibility” in The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VII. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

5. Wikipedia.org, 2008. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope.

6. Archdiocese of Lincoln’s wesbite, 2008. “Ask the Register,” http://www.dioceseoflincoln.org/purple/pope/index.htm

7. St. Charles Borromeo Catholic Church website, Picayune, Mississippi, 2008. “I’m Glad You Asked!” http://www.scborromeo.org/glad/c5.htm

8. Rodriquez, Pedro, “The Papacy and Primacy of Peter,” reprinted on www.ewtn.org from “The Primacy of the Pope in the Church,” from Catholic Position Papers, September, 1981 -- Japan Edition (http://www.ewtn.org/faith/teachings/papab1.htm).

9. Mirus, Jeffrey, Ph.D. “Papal Infallibility” posted on www.ewtn.org, (http://www.ewtn.org/faith/teachings/papac2.htm)

10. Kellmeyer, Steve. 2000. Bible Basics, 107-111. Steubenville, OH: Basilica Press.

[NYer]

Sarah Jennings has done a good job on her presentation of the papacy. Unfortunately, based on their comments, her readers still post anti-Catholic nonsense. Let’s hope that FR readers will be more positive.

[newgeezer]

[Ecumenical]

Does this require/request posting of a different nature than "[Open]"? And, isn't everything open, except for the "[Caucus]" threads?

[informavoracious]

Very nice.

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[NYer]

Does this require/request posting of a different nature than "[Open]"? And, isn't everything open, except for the "[Caucus]" threads?

Your guess is as good as mine. Some of these labels are confusing. Ecumenic? Open? This thread is open for ecumenical discussion.

[NYer]

Just disregard my last post. The Religion Moderator has clarified the matter.

[newgeezer]

Thanks. { ... rolling my eyes ... JMHO }

[delacoert]

And, isn't everything open, except for the "[Caucus]" threads?

The good news is that unmarked threads are apparently still open to posts with an ecumenic bias.

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

The author did a good job of using RCC sources to make RCC arguments. Not very persuasive to this Reformed Protestant.

[MarineBrat]

I enjoyed that... thanks!

[thefrankbaum]

Saul becoming "Paul."

Just to clarify the author, this isn't an example of a name change in the same form as Simon -> Peter, or Abram -> Abraham. Saul and Paul are two different versions of the same name - for example, if I went to Italy, I may be called Franco. The Italians aren't changing my name, just translating it into their language. The Latin "Paul" is used after he receives the laying on of hands - it is not a name change per se, but instead highlights his mission as belonging to the non-Jewish world.

[camerongood210]

I read recently that the Aramaic word for Rock used in this context is describing a small rock such as a pebble. There is a seperate word in Aramaic for describing a large rock such as a boulder (I don’t know what that word is, though). Essentially, when Jesus said he would build his house upon the rock that was Peter, he was referring to Peter as a small rock. Wouldn’t it make more sense that he would prefer to build the church on a boulder (metaphorically, of course)?

[Edit35]

her readers still post anti-Catholic nonsense.

Love Catholics -- their faith, their dedication, their blessed humanity, their contribution to America and the World.

Don't understand the denomination or traditions one little bit.

But I still love them all.

[zerosix]

Unfortunately, many who disagree (with sound reasoning) with the doctrine regarding the Pope/Peter issue are NOT allowed to dissent here lest we be referred to as "Catholic bashing."

One can surely argue doctrine issues and other matters of linguistic statements about the exact Biblical Greek meaning of rock and pebble without being a "Catholic basher".; Again, unfortunately, for many of that faith, intellectual disagreement is not permitted but taken as a verbal assault.

I shall keep my comments for another time and place with people who believe that intellectually disagreeing with supporting reasoning, is not a personal affront.

[Buggman]

The Latin "Paul" is used after he receives the laying on of hands - it is not a name change per se, but instead highlights his mission as belonging to the non-Jewish world.

It's not even that. As a born Roman citizen, Sha'ul (the proper pronunciation of his Hebrew name) would have had a Latinized/Hellenized name in addition to his Jewish given name. The closest equivalent to "Sha'ul" in the Greek language is "Saulos"--which happens to mean, "the haughty walk of a prostitute" in Greek.

"Hi, I'm Walks-Like-a-Prostitute. Let me tell you about the Messiah and how He died for your sins." *cue snickers*

Here we don't have a name change so much as a greater emphasis given to his Greek/Roman name as he spent more time in the Gentile world.

Shalom.

[netmilsmom]

>>Love Catholics — their faith, their dedication, their blessed humanity, their contribution to America and the World.

Don’t understand the denomination or traditions one little bit.

But I still love them all. <<

What a fantastic post! From this Catholic, thank you!
You actually make me feel proud!

[netmilsmom]

Well Golly, the post below yours is giving the Biblical meaning of rock.

In a very nice way.

You’re more than welcome to come on by!

[netmilsmom]

Hey Tax-Chick can you give a word on this post.

You have some Greek speakers in your house, right?

[ex-snook]

Jesus believed in teaching through people. If Jesus didn’t create a Pope, the Papacy would not have lasted some 2000 years. With all its ups and downs, it will last until the end of time.