Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

CanadaFreePress ^ | 06/09/2008 | Yomin Postelnik

[Yomin Postelnik]

One of the beautiful aspects of self evident truths is that they can be proven on both the simplest and the most complex of levels. By contrast, to make an argument for what is in fact an illogical fallacy, one must use plenty of skill, sophistry and remain beholden to a dogmatic protection of what is really an illogical position.

Yet even after a detailed case is made for the illogical side of the argument, it can instantly be deflated like a balloon with the simplest poke of clear logic. It can also be attacked piece by piece with even greater skill and logic, stemming from a steadfast pursuit of the truth.

[ryan71]

“Richard Dawkins comes off looking like a total idiot...”

He sure did. Dawkins suggested aliens planted life on Earth. He can believe that but he can't believe in GOD!

Ben did a great job of letting Dawkins dig himself into a hole but I wish he had asked Dawkins who or what created the aliens.

[Jo Nuvark]

[... Your opponent would argue that such is merely phenomenological...]

Until the judgement, mankind will continue to excuse
themselves from their accounts with their Creator.

For since the creation of the world His invisible
attributes, His eternal power and divine nature,
have been clearly seen, being understood through
what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
(Romans 1:20)

[Jo Nuvark]

steel or steal?

[Das Outsider]

Dawkins spoke of space aliens as if he was not aware that the space alien hypothesis only kicks the can down the road one block and does not solve the basic problem

If God is merely a hypothetical entity, then at least he is among good company with extraterrestrial intelligence, though the former makes a much better case. ;)

In any case, intelligent life existed somewhere prior to even microbial life, according to your citation of Dawkins, right?

[Tucker39]

Dear Das:
You may pretend that there is no evidence for DESIGN, and claim it as a type of “grounds” for dissing the Creator and the Salvation He provided through His Son; but when the final judgement comes, your position will crumble. The Scripture below is just one of many that says that ALL who disregard the Creator will be without excuse when they appear before Him at the Last Judgement.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written. The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The evidences of DESIGN are so clear, and so numerous, that anyone with an open mind and a discerning eye cannot help but realize them. One that presents itself with every “Nature” program on television, where they like to show various creatures in the act of copulation: The UNIVERSAL RETRACTABLE PENIS. THINK about it! Such marvelous mechanisms DO NOT happen by chance! Get a clue!

[Das Outsider]

Until the judgement, mankind will continue to excuse themselves from their accounts with their Creator.

Is it that hard for some to understand that one can be "pro-science" without accepting as a worldview materialistic evolution by natural selection (at best, theistic evolution, which is not much) or the idea, to paraphrase Ben Stein, that "science gets people killed?"

[Das Outsider]

You may pretend that there is no evidence for DESIGN, and claim it as a type of “grounds” for dissing the Creator and the Salvation He provided through His Son; but when the final judgement comes, your position will crumble. The Scripture below is just one of many that says that ALL who disregard the Creator will be without excuse when they appear before Him at the Last Judgement.

Apparently you have no idea who I am or what I believe. I neither "diss" God, nor do I for one second attempt to diminish the unthinkable sacrifice that he has provided in Jesus Christ, my Savior and Lord.

[tacticalogic]

The article presupposes that the simplest answer is always the correct one, the simplest answer just being “God made it”.

That is indeed the simplest answer. We could replace every scientific explaination and theory we have with those three words. It'll make for lousy technology, but it should improve the national averages on test scores in science.

[Das Outsider]

The evidences of DESIGN are so clear, and so numerous, that anyone with an open mind and a discerning eye cannot help but realize them. One that presents itself with every “Nature” program on television, where they like to show various creatures in the act of copulation: The UNIVERSAL RETRACTABLE PENIS. THINK about it! Such marvelous mechanisms DO NOT happen by chance! Get a clue!

The evidences of God's design are clear to those who have a mind to apprehend them. Do not confuse science and philosophy with apostasy, my friend. As I stated at the outset, my desire is for Christians to be better equipped to answer objections against God's existence and his Creation.

[Jo Nuvark]

[... Apparently you have no idea who I am or what I believe...]

Yeah, Tucker... you’ve got Das mixed up with someone
else for sure. Das is one of the elect. Sorry for
whatever happened to mislead you and thank you for
your elegant defense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Telepathic Intruder]

Which could explain all those Nobel prizes in physics coming from the state-controlled muslim theocracies.

[Yomin Postelnik]

Theologists describe the need for the Divine Creator to be both higher than physical and spiritual. That's a topic that needs much more discussion, but in short, while having no physical form, we can still tell the detail and precision the Creator put into creating the universe.

Realize that physicality doesn't last and hasn't been around forever, so we're speaking about the Creator of physicality.

[Das Outsider]

Well, thank you, Jo. Any election comes from the grace of God through Jesus, the most true elect. And it’s here that I have outed myself as a non-Calvinist, despite referencing any sort of predestination. We Confessional Lutherans can do that, you know. ;)

[Jo Nuvark]

Sorry to blow your cover. LOL!

[Jo Nuvark]

RETRACTABLE PENIS???

[Das Outsider]

Sorry to blow your cover. LOL!

You mean you outed me as one of those backwoods, bucktoothed, Bible-believing, so-called fundies, Jo? ;)

[Das Outsider]

RETRACTABLE PENIS???

Mrs. Outsider has no comment.

[Jo Nuvark]

You could say we put the “fun” in fundamentalism.

Or you could say we are fundaMENTAL cases.

[Jo Nuvark]

Give Mrs. Outsider a great big hug from me. LOL!