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To: NYer
Christian fundamentalism is yet another form of presumption. Granted, Barry’s case is an extreme example of the “once saved, always saved” mentality.

Eh, I don't think that the "once saved, always saved" mentality is indicative of Fundamental Christianity. I once had a discussion with a pastor at a church about this very belief (He believed it, I didn't). His argument was that once the Spirit enters into a person, God's grip cannot be broken. However, he made himself the judge of whether this happened or not. So, he said, because such and such was touched emotionally and prayed the "sinner's prayer," that this person was always saved.

Well, I can say that the person he was referring to didn't agree with him. She wanted to be saved that day, he told her she didn't need. She knew that she hadn't fallen away, but had never been truly repentant in the first place.

That being said, as a general rule, Fundamental Christians do not hold to the "once saved, always saved" view of either the pastor from my experience, or the guy from the article. A lot of Christians don't believe it at all, and Calvinist believe in a different sort of "once saved...." theology, that of election and justification.

I think what the author referred to her was a poor impression of fundamental Christians.
3 posted on 06/17/2008 8:20:30 AM PDT by raynearhood ("Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world... and she walks into mine.")
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To: raynearhood
You are correct, and it alarms me that some Catholics, including authorities, are getting more brazen lately in their bashing based those poor impressions of what a Christian "should be" according to their Catholic "traditions"...which IMHO, actually have little or no basis in Scripture, but that is not relevant as long as they don't try to force me to adhere to their standards.

I understand that they have pride in their particular belief system, but they need to remember that Jesus looked upon pride as a sin as it produces a persecuting and contentious spirit, just like what we are seeing coming out of the Catholics lately. Geez..why can't we all take charge of our own individual souls (Catholics can hand theirs over to the Pope if they choose), just agree to disagree and let God sort it out in the end?

7 posted on 06/17/2008 9:46:59 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: raynearhood
She knew that she hadn't fallen away, but had never been truly repentant in the first place.

For this Christ left us with the Sacrament of Penance (John 20:22).

9 posted on 06/17/2008 9:50:27 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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