Are you afraid to let NYer answer for herself?
And by the way, oh sage, it is not "mind-reading" to announce how one responds to another's post, nor to ask what the intent really is, which is what I am doing. I have not imputed motives, I have asked. I still await the answer. Either you can wait along with us, or you can continue making witless objections, but what you should not do is to expect another rejoinder from me.
Why do you take so much pleasure in your persistent endeavor? Has any of these stories reported on even a single new conversion to Christ? Or do you consider that nonCatholics are heathens and only Catholics can be saved?
16 posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 9:03:46 AM by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: sitetest
Thanks for providing those links. It is my experience--and perhaps yours as well--that confident assertions by those who claim something is not only common knowledge but also official policy often turn out to be mistaken, to one degree or another.
As to my desire to let NYer speak for herself:
1. You persist in speaking for her.
2. You wrote, "...if you're looking for the reason why Catholics rejoice when people come into full communion with the Catholic Church...." That is only a part of the information I seek. My original question, which you in your overeager intervention have ignored completely and which she alone can answer, was not why she rejoiced but rather why she persists in publicly gloating in a manner that can only be taken as confrontational and antagonistic. You are assuming her motives
24 posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 10:25:36 AM by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: sitetest
You persist in missing my point profoundly, despite your arrogance, or more likely because of it. My point, dear one, is that NYer delights in repeatedly posting these articles (even without comment) in a public nonCatholic forum, with no apparent thought--or worse, care--for how that looks to nonCatholics, or how offensive that is to them.
But I am through with you now: it was not you, after all, to whom my inquiry was directed, as I have pointed out--yes--repeatedly. Let her answer.
34 posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 12:43:12 PM by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: NYer
Thank you for your reply, NYer. While awaiting it, sitetest and I had a slightly vigorous discussion of it in which I laid out my concerns--I am afraid my latest post appears twice (#33 & #34) due to FR's slowness just then. May I say by way of introduction that my heat in replying to him would not have appeared (at the beginning anyway!) in my inquiry to you.
First, has it occurred to you that your frequent posts of this nature might offend nonCatholics? That posting them so repeatedly cannot help but suggest your triumphal attitude? Is that really the message you want to send?
Second, regarding conversions: I was not referring to Jewish converts, as in the example you recall. Rather, I was asking if your rejoicing was due to your belief that new converts result from these Protestants becoming Catholics. Anytime someone moves from the damned column to the saved, we can all rejoice rightfully. Is that your opinion--that only Catholics can be saved? You respond that is neither your nor the Church's position (sitetest might take exception there). But that is certainly the impression you leave by these victorious postings. Each time, it's as though you're holding aloft another Protestant scalp. How would you react if Protestants responded in kind?
It might help here to describe mission experiences I have had which inform my inquiry. For example, I have gone door-to-door seeking specifically the unchurched (not to mention the unsaved) to visit our church. When we encounter people who are already churched, we do not attempt to pry them from their present church--God's kingdom would have no net gain. That includes those who attend other Protestant as well as Catholic churches. In our view, God's kingdom would not only have no net gain, but it would suffer loss from such divisive acts.
As is implicit in my original inquiry, I have been noticing these posts of yours for some time now--perhaps a dozen or more. I was offended by the first, and by each since. I refrained from comment until now because I did not know whether you would persist, or whether something or someOne might intervene. Obviously, you do persist unabashed. For your sake, then, I felt a duty to inform you of my reaction. I may be alone, though I doubt it. But you should know, in order to have the opportunity to take that into account in considering how best you should fulfill your Lord's call.
37 posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 1:20:06 PM by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: Jaded
I've already had two genius spiritual giants on this thread attempt to dissuade me from getting an answer to a perfectly straightforward, morally upright question put in a courteous fashion. Three's a crowd. Indeed, I could have sent her a private email--in fact, I considered it beforehand. As you see, where I come from, one actually considers the implications prior to speaking or writing (Eph.4:29).
Are you afraid to let NYer answer for herself?
And by the way, oh sage, it is not "mind-reading" to announce how one responds to another's post, nor to ask what the intent really is, which is what I am doing. I have not imputed motives, I have asked. I still await the answer. Either you can wait along with us, or you can continue making witless objections, but what you should not do is to expect another rejoinder from me. [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies | Report Abuse]
Read your replies! NYer answered you more than once and you actually replied, or did you forget in so short a time? Why do you find it needful to insult people? Does that make your point any better? Perhaps before posting anymore on the religion threads you should read the guidelines.