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To: Gamecock

I think the Council of Trent on this was clear on this:

CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

BUT

CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.

http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct06.html


14 posted on 07/07/2008 11:48:35 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud
For the life of me I can't understand why people try to prove a point quoting Councils, and books and writings, of people giving opinions. Why not just send a person to a website to prove a point.

Our foundation is the Bible, nothing more, nothing less. The verses on faith are plentiful and self explanatory. The thief on the cross was nailed there and died there unable to do anything but proclaim Jesus was who He said He was. Jesus made it plain He would be with Him. Our works are an evidence of our salvation, but certainly not required. If a mafia don gives money to the poor, it isn't going to wash the blood from his hands. Is it impossible for a bed ridden quadriplegic to be saved because he is unable to move? We are saved by faith, period!

Jesus painted a Spiritual picture of salvation by healing sick people. He didn't just heal their malady, but the sickness was sin and their faith was their cure. He said as He healed them, "By your faith you are healed". If Jesus was interested in healing sickness, He could have easily said a Word and all mankind would be healed. He was making a point to the people that came to Him for their healing. Their real sickness was sin and He is the physician. They did nothing more than believe to gain salvation. It was only natural. however to tell the crowds who it was that healed them and bring others to the Master. Once you are saved, you should be "born again" and never are the same. Your actions should count as "works" for God. If works had anything to do with salvation then a Muslim could be saved by giving oil money to the poor. Without Jesus he may as well throw it in a hole.

16 posted on 07/08/2008 1:06:30 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Claud; Gamecock
CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.

And this is one of the BIGGEST error of the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, as the author points out, many Protestants believe the same thing.

75 posted on 07/08/2008 12:53:55 PM PDT by HarleyD
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