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To: PAR35

In the interest of Ecumenical discussion, what does he get wrong?


7 posted on 07/15/2008 6:24:51 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum

1)”To Protestants, sacraments must be one of two things: either mere symbols, reminders, like words; or else real magic. “

Obviously ignorant of the Lutheran view (and that held by some Anglicans), and despite claims to the contrary, shows a lack of understanding of the Reformed view.

2.”They believe in creation and Incarnation and Resurrection only because they are in the Bible.”

He needs to read up on Natural Revelation.

3. “some, following Calvin, add that it is an occasion for special grace, a sign and a seal. “

Seems like he never learned this part: “Worthy receivers, outwardly partaking of the visible elements, in this sacrament, do then also, inwardly by faith, really and indeed, yet not carnally and corporally but spiritually, receive and feed upon, Christ crucified, and all benefits of His death: the body and blood of Christ being then, not corporally or carnally, in, with, or under the bread and wine; yet, as really, but spiritually, present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses. WCF XXIX, 5;

“Sacramental Eating of the Lord. Besides the higher spiritual eating there is also a sacramental eating of the body of the Lord by which not only spiritually and internally the believer truly participates in the true body and blood of the Lord, but also, by coming to the Table of the Lord, outwardly receives the visible sacrament of the body and blood of the Lord. To be sure, when the believer believed, he first received the life-giving food, and still enjoys it. But therefore, when he now receives the sacrament, he does not receive nothing. For he progresses in continuing to communicate in the body and blood of the Lord, and so his faith is kindled and grows more and more, and is refreshed by spiritual food.... The body of Christ is in heaven at the right hand of the Father; and therefore our hearts are to be lifted up on high, and not to be fixed on the bread, neither is the Lord to be worshipped in the bread. Yet the Lord is not absent from his Church when she celebrates the Supper. “ Second Helvetic Confession, Chapter 21.

3. “The basic objection Protestants have to sacramentalism is this:...Isn’t it unfair for God’s grace to depend on anything other than his will and mine?

God’s grace doesn’t depend on our will.


8 posted on 07/15/2008 6:59:47 PM PDT by PAR35
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