Banned in Boston and elsewhere

Curt Jester ^ | July 22, 2008 | Jeff Miller

[NYer]

"Look at me I have been automatically excommunicated and it is reserved to the Holy See to lift it."

The annoying thing about these faux ordinations is that they are hard to parody when they go to so much effort to parody themselves.

Come on tie-dye stoles?  Plus exactly what part of the ordination ceremony calls for the above rubric?  

The blankets are a pretty tacky detail.  Them seem more fitting to send with your kindergarten kid for nap time.  Seen plenty of pictures of priest being ordained and don't think I ever saw one with them prostrate on a blanket.  

But priestess fashion is not the issue.  I do feel sad for these deluded women and those who support them in their delusion.

The Womenpriests organization says their ordinations are legitimate because Catholic bishops in good standing ordained their first members to become female priests and bishops. Therefore, they argue, the women being ordained can claim apostolic succession, or direct descent from Jesus's apostles.

That reminds me of some news I have for you.  The other day three aliens each from a different race informed me that I had been specifically selected to be the Ruler of Earth and Guardian of our Solar System (take that Al Gore!).  In fact I am now 23rd in line to succeed his Magnificence and Emperor of the Galaxy.  Though there is some dispute on this from some of the other alien races so I can't tell you what aliens selected me. 

"We are not intimidated. We feel so strongly."

Oh you feel strongly?  Excuse me that defeats all of my arguments relying on Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium.

I'm feeling such joy, I could rise up," Lee said in an interview after the ceremony. She pointed out that she was wearing a cross from Dignity, an organization of gay Catholics.

No one will be surprised to find that these women don't just reject this one teaching.  Like I said last week - scratch a dissident and you will find someone upset about some area of the Church's teaching on sexual morality.  If women are being called to the priesthood then why is it only dissident women that are being called?  Where are the women being ordained that have a preference for the extraordinary form of the Mass?  Why do they always have a preference for Hippy stoles and not beautifully embroidered ones.  Where are the traditionalist women priestesses who are being called?

Plus how come the "women's ordination movement" doesn't have any seminaries?  They just ordain women without any real preparation. Not everyone who enters a real seminary goes on to discern that they are indeed called to the priesthood, so why it is that these women are infallible?  Besides it is the Church that is part of the discernment process and not just an individual choice no matter how much strongly you feel about it.  The way the "women's ordination movement" has approached the whole thing is more like a show and that they don't really believe what they are doing in the first place.

The women did not pledge obedience or chastity - the promises made by Roman Catholic priests - and one was introduced to the congregation by her daughter; another by her husband.

Well exactly who would they promise obedience to other then themselves.  Would it be the "bishop" from California "ordained" in Germany who "ordained" them in Boston? On a side note I am running out of sneer quote ink for this post.   Whatever happened to having three bishops involved in an ordination as insurance?  I guess one fake bishop is just as invalid as three fake bishops.

Though since this whole thing was done in a Protestant church they should all feel right at home.  If you have decided that you are above the Pope and the bishops in union with him and have thrown out Catholic eccelesiology then congratulations on becoming Protestant.

But the women who participated in the event, along with the several hundred people who spent nearly three hours in the sweltering Church of the Covenant, said they rejected the excommunications and believed that the women had been validly ordained.

Wow I ought to try that some time.  Officer I reject your ticket and I believe I was driving under the speed limit.

Oh well what do I know after all I am only a Newsweek reporter.

[NYer]

From Zenit News Agency

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Church in Boston: Women-Priest Group Not Catholic

BOSTON, JULY 20, 2008 (Zenit.org).- The Archdiocese of Boston has reiterated the teaching of the Church on women and the priesthood after a group "ordained" three women priests.

The organization calling itself "Roman Catholic Womenpriests" held a conference in Boston over the weekend at a Presbyterian church. They had an ordination ceremony today with three women.

"Roman Catholic Womenpriests is not an entity of the Roman Catholic Church," the archdiocese stated.

"For 2,000 years, the Catholic Church has served to carry on the ministry and teachings of Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church is made up of women and men, equal in rights and diverse in gifts and ministries. Following our devotion to Mary, the Church is committed to, and sustained by the many important contributions of women each and every day," the statement said.

It added: "As members of our religious communities, lay members in leadership roles within the Church, educators, canon lawyers, and as pastoral and social service providers across many other critical areas, women are helping to shape the course of our Church in following the will of God.

"The ordination of men to the priesthood is not merely a matter of practice or discipline within the Catholic Church, but rather, it is part of the unalterable Deposit of Faith handed down by Christ through his apostles."

The archdiocesan statement recalled that "Catholics who attempt to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the women who attempt to receive a sacred order, are by their own actions separating themselves from the Church."

[jjm2111]

Notice the age of these women? Young folks either want to do it for real (being a Catholic, that is), or don’t bother.

It’s the traditional relgious orders that attract the young.

[maryz]

Catholic bishops in good standing ordained their first members to become female priests and bishops.

Dyin' to know which bishop(s) started this travesty (presumably no longer in "good standing" at least before God)! Actually, that's assuming there were any and that's not just another product of their fevered imaginations. Of course, it's not impossible (or even very unlikely) that some bishop(s) thought this as a fait accompli would slide down as easily as altar girls and communion in the hand.

[Frank Sheed]

Can you say "Womyn Priests?

Can you spell "excommunicated?

[weegee]

excommunicated Communists?

[AppyPappy]

Why don’t they just become Episcopalians?

[veritas2002]

These idiots don’t even understand sacramental theology. To be valid a sacrament must have valid matter and form. You cannot use milk at the Eucharist and say that the milk has been changed into the blood of Christ. Similarly, valid matter in the sacrament of Holy Orders is a baptized male. These things aren’t interchangeable. But don’t expect too much from these gals - after all they never even attended a seminary that I can detect.
Oh, and by the way, while they’re ordaining priests and consecrating bishops, why don’t they just go all the way and elect a Pope, claim infallibility and then they’ll be really able to sleep at night.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Not enough market share. Plus, the Episcopalians already allow the ordination of women as priests so there is no shock value to give feminists with oppositional-defiant disorder a charge in that. They have to stage a mock ceremony which challenges the alleged Roman Catholic patriarchy to get themselves excited. But AmChurch already embraces modernist feminism so it doesn't really make a lot of sense as a form of protest.

Bottom line: it wasn't a valid or real Catholic ordination and they are not Catholic priests. Generally speaking, you are supposed to be sane and follow the rules and Catholic doctrine in order to be a priest. And everyone knows the Catholic Church does not ordain women as priestesses with any sacramental or doctrinal authority. Someome merely saying the words in a mock ceremony does not make someone a valid priest.

[magisterium]

This whole movement betrays a very poor faith in Jesus as God in two ways.
First, it strongly implies He is not really God insofar as He originally set-up a male-only priesthood while, apparently, being “incapable” of seeing ahead and realizing the mistake. In order for these ladies to be correct, the entire Trinity will now, in a fashion contrary to Jesus’ original intent, “fix” the problem by ordaining women. It is inconceivable that Jesus would go out of His way to establish a male-only priesthood (which He certainly did), only to acknowledge the injustice of the practice nearly 2000 years later by way of “calling” these ladies to the priesthood now. As God, he was omniscient, and could certainly foresee the ramifications of every aspect of His divine will. He could not, therefore, create a system that was, internally, at such cross-purposes with His will. Therefore, if He created a system that was so inherently unjust as to need the “fixing” of a fundamental principle He created, by “calling” these women 2000 years later, He was “not God.” That would be the conclusion established by the “correctness” of the position of these alleged priestesses.

The second way these priestesses demonstrate a lack of belief in Christ as God is similar. If Jesus is God, He would not have created a Church that would, within its own Tradition, perpetuate such an apparent injustice as denying half of its membership the right to pursue the priesthood He established. The Church, He promised, would be led by the Spirit in its doctrine. A male-only priesthood is part of that doctrine. Therefore, either Jesus didn’t know what He was doing, in the matter of female ordination, when He established the Church, or He has allowed a fundamental injustice to exist within it under a cloak of “doctrine.” The former is inconsistent with the very nature of God’s omniscience, the latter destroys the authority of the Church that He endowed it with in, among other places, Matthew 16, Matthew 18 and Matthew 28. This, too, is impossible for God to have done. Therefore, for a second reason, these individuals deny the divinity of Christ.

These women may be many things, but “Catholic priests” they are not. They are arguably not even Christian, since, if they thought their actions through, they would realize that they implicitly deny that Jesus knew what He was doing (and, therefore, could not be God) when He established a male-only priesthood and a Church that made such a priesthood a doctrinal point. Jesus certainly had options available to Him in allowing the ordination of women. He clearly chose not to exercise those options. Even in a world where, in the wider culture that would soon enough be the mission filed of His Church, priestesses among the pagan religions were commonplace, and would have caused no scandal to potential converts.

[NYer]

First, it strongly implies He is not really God insofar as He originally set-up a male-only priesthood while, apparently, being “incapable” of seeing ahead and realizing the mistake.

These women care about one thing only - themselves - period. They are not only defiant, they are also arrogant, completely ignoring the orders of excommunication. They have no remorse for their sins; they are judgmental. Were they truly sincere in their "women priesthood" belief, they would shrug a shoulder at the Catholic Church and run into the open and welcoming arms of the Anglican and Presbyterian Churches. They follow their own passion with no concern for those they have betrayed.

[NYer]

Dyin' to know which bishop(s) started this travesty (presumably no longer in "good standing" at least before God)!

Mgr. Romulo Braschi received his episcopal ordination from Bishop Roberto Padin. His apostolic succession has been proved to our group by professionally vetted documents going back to the 15th century.

Another Roman Catholic bishop, the retired Roman Catholic Bishop Geronimo Podesta, ordained Mgr. Romulo Braschi in the apostolic succession on 30 January 1999. Podesta was appointed Roman Catholic bishop through a papal decree. source

[kaehurowing]

Wannabe Episcopalian Heretics

[maryz]

John Allen has more:

Braschi claims to have been ordained a bishop twice: once by fellow Argentine Roberto Padin in 1998, described as a prelate in the breakaway “Catholic-Apostolic Church of Brasil,” and again by Jeronimo Podestá in January 1999.

In Podestá’s case at least, there is no doubt as to his own legitimacy. He served as bishop of the Avellanda diocese in Argentina from 1962 to 1967, before being removed for alleged excesses in pushing social action and church reform. He went on to become a supporter of optional clerical celibacy, and died on June 24, 2000.

Skeptics, however, say that Podestá never supported the splinter church founded by Braschi, and hence they doubt that he ever performed the ordination. Braschi appeared at a press conference on June 29, however, with a notarized document from his lawyer in Buenos Aires, which he said attests to the event.

According to Allen, Braschi also has ordained his wife! ;-)

[NYer]

According to Allen, Braschi also has ordained his wife! ;-)

Sure ... why not! How about you and I sign on? We could be the first ordained female Free Republic freepers! . Just imagine the lofty theological arguments we could then use in the forum. And ... oh .... new taglines, too! I will proudly change mine to read: "Entirely Miss Reverend Lady NYer the Ceaseless of Barton in the Beans". All the freepers will simply coo and applaud our ordinations :-)

Ta Dah!

(not enough caffeine this morning)

[maryz]

(not enough caffeine this morning)

Either that or too much! :)

[Technogeeb]

In Podestá’s case at least, there is no doubt as to his own legitimacy.

I doubt it. It is fairly obvious that doctrinal error tainted his theology later in life; and the Spiritual guarantees that go along with Apostolic Succession ("gates of Hell will not prevail") would prevent that sort of corruption to remain uncorrected.

Apostolic Succession is more than just some foolish episcopal genealogy; there is a real transfer of the powers granted to the Apostles. I assert that if the host to those powers does not meet the essential theological requirements, then the transfer does not occur regardless of the form of the ceremony. It is all just a bunch of play-acting by people wearing silly clothing.

In any case, I assert that it is obvious that many people making the claim of Apostolic Succession do not have it (various Protestants like Spong and Robinson, for example). Braschi is almost certainly among them. Podesta may very likely be as well.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Church in Boston: Women-Priest Group Not Catholic

I'm glad to hear it. Now if only they'd do something about all those liberal politicians.

[maryz]

Allen points out that there’s some doubt about whether Podesta actually ordained him. He claims some “notarized document” but it’s not said who actually makes the notarized claim. A notary doesn’t guarantee the truth of the document, only that the person said to have signed it did so.