Jesus: Sovereign or Failure?

Grace Sermons ^ | Larry W. Brown

[Gamecock]

GRPL Countdown to
the Calvin Quincentenary

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

God post. Many are confused on the terms, “all men”, leading them to believe the lie of dominionism. But Kenneth Copeland has called Jesus “the world’s biggest failure in all history”, so it must be true /sarc/

[Gamecock]

I guess it’s Copeland’s mission to fix that. < /sarc>

[applpie]

I just honestly don’t understand why a theologian would spend time on that one issue....clarifying that all men really doesn’t mean all men.

[Gamecock]

And why not?

[hosepipe]

Jesus work is finished (John ch 10).. All are either self sorted into a Sheep Pen (of some kind) -OR- has heard his voice come out of the sheep pen(s) into the glorious freedom of the pasture(Ps 23)..

A sheep pen is exactly where they are supposed to be.. A beautiful plan.. Sheep self sorting(categorizing) themselves into pens where they are more comfortable.. You know... than the pasture with its freedom(s).. A brilliant plan.. Jesus did not forbid denominations.. and thats WHY...

[Augustinian monk]

Kenneth Copeland : “I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is....The biggest one is God....I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the Fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least—that’s a big loss, man. . . . Now, the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure. And you’re not a failure till you say you’re one.” (”Praise-a-Thon” program on TBN [April 1988].)

Too much filthy lucre makes some people insane I guess.

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

Such explanation is needed, as too many are willing to fall for a false message of universal salvation, resulting in many goats heading to slaughter thinking they be sheep.

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

“Too much filthy lucre makes some people insane I guess.”

Amen. Which is the Lord reminds us, “Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy”

[jkl1122]

Jesus did not forbid denominations

The very nature of the church, which is the body of Christ, is anti-denominational.

[hosepipe]

[ The very nature of the church, which is the body of Christ, is anti-denominational. ]

True thats what the meme of SHEEP PENS (John ch 10) is all about.. The Roman Catholic church and all the OTHER denominations are indeed sheep pens.. making them ALL cults.. Of course you know the word(gk.) that the word church is translated from means "called out ones".. So then, the nature of the "called out ones" is being "called out" of something.. being a pen... a sheep pen.. called out of a sheep pen.. a.k.a. denomination..

The roman catholic church has morphed the word church to mean a kind of synagog.. and the other denominations have recieved that inaccurate "trick"..

[fproy2222]

There are some conclusions that must be drawn from this discourse.

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Good men working hard to understand God’s teachings.

[skr]

Isn’t Kenneth Copeland’s point that the world’s definition of failure isn’t God’s definition of failure?

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

Considering Copeland’s apostate theological perspective (such as that God has a physical body the same size as Copeland’s and that each Christian is a “little Christ”), it’s hard to imagine what twisted thoughts permeate his head.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

[P8riot]

To be realistic and consistent with the scripture we must either limit the quality of what Jesus has done or we must limit the scope of what Jesus meant.

Limited Atonement works for me.

[bremenboy]

"To be realistic and consistent with the scripture we must either limit the quality of what Jesus has done or we must limit the scope of what Jesus meant. Limited Atonement works for me"

One would think that the term "all men" should mean that Jesus meant to draw one hundred percent of all people to Himself. Now one who has faith in the One who healed the sick, raised the dead, and resurrected Himself from the grave should be able to say without reservation that Jesus did not mean in any literal sense that He intended to bring one hundred percent of all people to himself.

Jesus meant literally ment what he said

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

[P8riot]

Sheep are predestined to be sheep, and goats are predestined to be goats. They don’t change their identities by exercising their own will.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Limited Atonement works for me.

AMEN!

I always laugh at your tag. 8~)