Posted on 07/26/2008 9:19:38 AM PDT by marbren
Question:
I am a born-again Christian, having come to faith 10 years ago when I admitted to Christ I was a sinner, believed that Christ is God's Son and that He died for me and rose again, and choosing to live my life with Him as my Savior. I have a problem with your response to the homosexual question. You write that homosexuals do not go to heaven. If homosexuals do not go to heaven, then neither do boasters, adulterers, self-centered people, thieves, liars, or anyone for that matter.
You write that "So, you see, there is hope for anyone, homosexual, adulterer, drunkard, etc., to become one of God's family. But when a person does become a believer, the homosexuality ends." I'd like to examine the last of those two sentences...You say that when a person becomes a believer, the homosexuality ends. I would pose this question to you...When a prideful person becomes a believer, does his pride end? When a selfish person becomes a believer, does his selfishness end? When a liar becomes a believer do his lies end?
Answer:
Thanks for these thoughts. I do agree with you in one sense. However, I'm trying also to work with the biblical language. The Bible states that homosexuals do not go to heaven, in a variety of ways and passages. What that means is that a person who is a believer is really entirely different, including the way he thinks of himself. Many religious people have borrowed from the therapeutic view related to alcoholism that a person is merely a "recovering alcoholic" or in this case, a "recovering homosexual". This is not true for true Christians as far as the Bible is concerned. "Such were some of you" (1 Cor. 6:9-11), means that lifestyle is in the past and the old man has died. You are not a homosexual any more. You are a Christian. But you might be a Christian who still has some problem with remaining habits and sins. In fact, we all do. You are substantially different, as indicated by your behavior. The fact that the old you has died, however, is a necessary assertion, from Romans 6. And sin is an aberration and an infiltrator. You are not what you were, but your are new. And your behavior validates that if your salvation is real.
May God give you continued hope and help as you trust Him.
Jim
I think the question is phrased wrong.
It ASSUMES homesexuality is a state rather than an act.
The question is whether a person who revels in a particular sinful act (any act) without repending, can “go to heaven”.
It does not matter if it is the homosexual act, chasing married women, chasing married men, murder, stealing, etc.
The question is really on whether are there some hedonistic bad acts that just don’t count?
(see also: is there a right and is there a wrong)
How do we KNOW that?
In marriage sex is a sacred act. (see the sanctity of the marital bed) Therefore since heaven is for the sacred, and certain sex is sacred, there should be sex in heaven.
Of course it is just a matter of getting there and seeing for ourselves...
Is there sex in heaven?
I'm not trying to say that Christians never sin again once they become Christians. But if they are in fellowship with the Lord, they will recognize their sin for what it is, hate it, and struggle mightily to rid themselves of it.
A homosexual that continues to embrace homosexuality (and maybe even demands that others accept it as okay) hasn't repented and isn't in fellowship with God.
I'm not trying to say that Christians never sin again once they become Christians. But if they are in fellowship with the Lord, they will recognize their sin for what it is, hate it, and struggle mightily to rid themselves of it.
A homosexual that continues to embrace homosexuality (and maybe even demands that others accept it as okay) hasn't repented and isn't in fellowship with God.
No
My Mormon theology: Yes there is no sex in heaven. We have no bodies in heaven. We are all spirit. In response to Mark 12:18-25. Yes after the resurrection no one will be given in marriage. Yet in 26 and 27 in reference to Abraham Issac and Jacob that they live. They are in heaven as spirits and have not yet risen. Death (being not in existence) is not possible.
That scripture does not mean that there is no marriage in heaven that means that there is no marriage after the resurrection.
Where in scripture dose it claim that God does not have grand children? I would love to know why there is not procreation in heaven. For if we are made in the image of God/Christ, and we are decedents of Adam, are we not the children of God that call him father? If some one could explain to me what is so wrong with procreation in heaven please tell me.
BTW I like the comment about picking babies off of a tree...(considering man did not procreate until after partaking of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil I find that quite amusing)
I have a question. What about sexually active homosexuals who go to church and consider themselves Christians?
The reason I ask is because I was browsing through some threads that I'd previously book marked and came across this one.
When I became a Christian almost 18 months ago the first church that I attended was United Church of Christ (an offshoot of Obama’s church). At least half the extremely liberal congregation (I was 1 of maybe 3 or 4 conservatives) were male and female homosexuals most of them attending church with their “partner”. The assistant pastor was also a sexually active male homosexual.
I left this church when I read far enough in the Bible to discover that homosexuality is a sin.
Thanks for your input!
“What about sexually active homosexuals who go to church and consider themselves Christians?”
I can consider myself a millionaire male model but that does not make it so.
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