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Rebel With a Cause: [Louisiana Governor] Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 25, 2008 | Robert Costa

Posted on 07/31/2008 6:26:24 AM PDT by rrstar96

In 1988, 16-year-old Piyush Jindal totaled his father's new car a few weeks before graduating from Baton Rouge High School. Piyush -- who then and now prefers the nickname "Bobby" he adopted from "The Brady Brunch" sitcom -- had to assess more than fender damage with his parents.

"Which God do you have to thank for your safety?" Mr. Jindal, now governor of Louisiana, remembers his mother, Raj, a practicing Hindu, inquiring after he escaped from the wreck. For the child of Punjabi immigrants who had announced his Christian beliefs the previous summer, the question was difficult.

Twenty years later, Mr. Jindal, a convert to Roman Catholicism, is being mentioned as one of John McCain's top choices for the Republican vice-presidential nomination. And his strong religious faith is often cited as a potential bonus for the ticket.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Eastern Religions; Theology
KEYWORDS: bobbyjindal; catholic; hinduism; jindal2008veep; louisiana; spiritualjourney
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1 posted on 07/31/2008 6:26:25 AM PDT by rrstar96
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Pelican State ping


2 posted on 07/31/2008 6:27:27 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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Faith of Our Fathers ping


3 posted on 07/31/2008 6:28:24 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: rrstar96

Hopefully he’s a closet Hindu who sacrifices chickens in his basement.

The kind of “Southern” guy who will take the Religionists on yet another ride down the path of phony spiritualism.

Just the kind of politician the GOP, Social Conservatives, Values Voters, and the Monomaniacal Single-Issue anti-Abortionists should be backing.

Frankly it no longer matters whether an alleged “conservative” cares about small government, low taxes, limited federal powers, and personal liberty.

It’s all about that hypen (x-conservative) and the best possible rendition of Elmer Gantry.


4 posted on 07/31/2008 6:55:47 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

Your comments indicate that you are a narrow-minded bigot and a fool.


5 posted on 07/31/2008 7:01:44 AM PDT by scory
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To: All

I’d love to have a “perfect” Conservative candidate, but there ain’t one out there on the national level...


6 posted on 07/31/2008 7:03:53 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: angkor

Right on friend!

The ‘religious persecution’ whine is the most annoying bit of self pity/self delusion in the nation by far.

These people are so ‘brave’ by declaring their religious beliefs. Give me a break.


7 posted on 07/31/2008 7:15:38 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the first, second, and fourth amendments?)
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To: rrstar96
Interesting read.

I was particularly impressed by this statement by Jindal:

"I don't know why I was struck so hard at that moment," said Mr. Jindal. "There was nothing fascinating about this particular video. . . . But watching this depiction of an actor playing Jesus on the cross, it just hit me, harder than I'd ever been hit before," he said. "If that was really the son of God, and he really died for me, then I felt compelled to get on my knees and worship him."

"It was liberating," said Mr. Jindal about his moment.


8 posted on 07/31/2008 7:23:22 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: xsmommy

did you see this?


9 posted on 07/31/2008 7:39:08 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Natchez Hawk
The ‘religious persecution’ whine is the most annoying bit of self pity/self delusion in the nation by far.

After reading the article, I don't understand where your "religious persecution whine" comment originated. There was no whining in the article, and no mention of persecution. It was a thoughtful article describing how Jindal came from Hinduism to Christianity. I pray that on your spiritual journey you too will find Peace, Joy, and Truth.

10 posted on 07/31/2008 7:42:02 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember

i hadn’t. thanks for the ping. very interesting read.


11 posted on 07/31/2008 7:44:56 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: angkor

i am puzzled about your attack on his religious beliefs. where does this come from?


12 posted on 07/31/2008 7:46:04 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

I thought so too. Although apparently some on the thread think the best strategy for “conservative” republicans to regain control is to kick the “religious right” to the curb.


13 posted on 07/31/2008 7:46:24 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember

is that what the point of the attack was? i couldn’t quite sift through the vitriol to get the point.


14 posted on 07/31/2008 7:49:21 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: scory

>>>>Your comments indicate that you are a narrow-minded bigot and a fool.

Slinging religious beliefs about the political marketplace is the tactic of charlatans.


15 posted on 07/31/2008 8:19:07 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: xsmommy

>>>>>i am puzzled about your attack on his religious beliefs. where does this come from?

I believe in Article IV of the United States Constitution.


16 posted on 07/31/2008 8:20:22 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

non sequitur.


17 posted on 07/31/2008 8:24:11 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: angkor

And what does that have to do with your hostility?


18 posted on 07/31/2008 8:26:47 AM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: xsmommy

Yes, correct. I meant VI.

“No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”


19 posted on 07/31/2008 8:31:24 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: Liberty1970

>>>>And what does that have to do with your hostility?

Many conservatives (of the unhyphenated type) see the Religionist influence of the last 30 years as a destructive attack on conservatism generally and the GOP in particular.

That pretty much covers “my hostility”.


20 posted on 07/31/2008 8:36:35 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: rrstar96

bump


21 posted on 07/31/2008 8:38:12 AM PDT by VOA
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To: rrstar96

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22 posted on 07/31/2008 8:38:24 AM PDT by VOA
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To: angkor
“No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

And yet your hostility to Jindal's Christianity is sort of a religious test in and of itself since it appears to disqualify his for the office of VP as far as you are concerned.

23 posted on 07/31/2008 8:41:59 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: rrstar96

**Mr. Jindal, a convert to Roman Catholicism**

BTTT!


24 posted on 07/31/2008 8:56:56 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: angkor

I don’t believe Jindal is phony at all. Why do you say that?


25 posted on 07/31/2008 9:00:22 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: VRWCmember

>>>>And yet your hostility to Jindal’s Christianity

My hostility has nothing to do with Jindal or with Christianity (probably since I am a Christian).

Is is 100 percent directed at those who make religious backgrounds, beliefs, or heritage either an overt or tacit political benchmark (or “test” as Article VI says).

I love it when the biggest religious bigots here on FR - and there are many of them - come back and say “Article VI only applies to the government, not to ME!” somehow conveniently forgetting that ****they are the government****.

Every line of the Constitution should be in every American’s heart.


26 posted on 07/31/2008 9:01:14 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: VRWCmember; xsmommy

**kick the “religious right” to the curb.**

Then I guess I would be there with you.


27 posted on 07/31/2008 9:01:40 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

>>>>I don’t believe Jindal is phony at all. Why do you say that?

I didn’t.

Next question please.


28 posted on 07/31/2008 9:01:55 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: angkor; Religion Moderator

This thread is posted in the “Religion Forum”; we discuss religious topics all the time.

Why are you attacking religion.


29 posted on 07/31/2008 9:03:08 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: angkor

**see the Religionist influence of the last 30 years as a destructive attack on conservatism generally and the GOP in particular.**

Actually, reading your Bible, religion is going to save the conservatives, in my opinion.


30 posted on 07/31/2008 9:05:11 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: angkor

If you do not wish to see Religion Forum posts, do NOT use the “everything” option on the browse. Instead, browse by “News/Activism.” When you log back in, the browse will reset to “everything” - so be sure to set it back to “News/Activism.”


31 posted on 07/31/2008 9:06:46 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: angkor

oh so you are of the “they’ve had their boots on our necks long enough” belief system. ok. thanks.


32 posted on 07/31/2008 9:07:32 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Salvation; Religion Moderator

>>>>Why are you attacking religion. This thread is posted in the “Religion Forum”; we discuss religious topics all the time.

One cannot criticize the religious tests of potential GOP and “conservative” candidates in the Religion forum?

Or is religious influence on the GOP and conservatism something that is not allowed to be discussed?


33 posted on 07/31/2008 9:09:32 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: angkor
One cannot criticize the religious tests of potential GOP and “conservative” candidates in the Religion forum?

nothing in this story, of Bobby Jindal's religious journey, bespoke of any religious test. YOU injected your own personal animus on that subject to an otherwise benign thread on the religion forum.

34 posted on 07/31/2008 9:11:45 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: angkor
Discuss it all you wish.

Recent changes to the software resulted in the Religion Forum posts being intermingled with News/Activism by default. Some posters - even oldtimers - were shocked to see such disagreements for the first time.

And so I let them know - as I let you know - if you do not wish to see the disputes, do not use the "everything" browse option.

35 posted on 07/31/2008 9:17:22 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: xsmommy

>>>>>>nothing in this story, of Bobby Jindal’s religious journey, bespoke of any religious test.

Paragraph 3: “his strong religious faith is often cited as a potential bonus for the ticket.”

Even when it is written in black and white and there for all to see, the true Religionist will deny that any kind of religious test is employed against conservatives and GOP candidates.


36 posted on 07/31/2008 9:18:17 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: xsmommy
oh so you are of the “they’ve had their boots on our necks long enough” belief system.

LOL!

37 posted on 07/31/2008 9:20:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Religion Moderator

I did notice a jump in religious material.

Just for the record, I have nothing against religion but I have very grave concerns about the intermingling of religion and politics.

So if this material appears in News/Activism it will certainly get my (concerned) attention.


38 posted on 07/31/2008 9:21:52 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

again, your personal animus colors your perception. there are those who would consider religious faith to be a bonus in a candidate. you see it instead as a disqualifier. my TEST in deciding to vote for a candidate is whether they are prolife or not. i don’t care if they are an atheist. maybe your TEST would involve a candidates position on illegal immigration. people of faith, people of NO faith, have their own TESTS in considering candidates. going off half cocked because a potential candidate’s religious background is being discussed only demonstrates your animus.


39 posted on 07/31/2008 9:22:25 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

>>>>you see [religious belief] instead as a disqualifier.

The core of your misunderstanding is that I see it (as does Article VI) as a completely irrelevant non-issue.

And religion also has nothing to do with conservatism whatsoever.

The conflating of religion and politics is in fact destructive and dangerous.


40 posted on 07/31/2008 9:29:02 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: angkor
Slinging religious beliefs about the political marketplace is the tactic of charlatans.

What did George Washington have to say about that?

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”

“Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

"The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained”

How about John Adams?
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

41 posted on 07/31/2008 9:29:37 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember

There are tons of quotations from Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin making exactly the opposite points, and it is completely disingenuous to pretend they weren;t speaking about two different contexts of expression: private and public.

No need to beat that dead horse, you know exactly what I’m saying and what they said.


42 posted on 07/31/2008 9:33:30 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: wagglebee; xsmommy

>>>“they’ve had their boots on our necks long enough” belief system.

Don’t understand the reference.


43 posted on 07/31/2008 9:34:51 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: angkor
I love it when the biggest religious bigots here on FR - and there are many of them - come back and say “Article VI only applies to the government, not to ME!” somehow conveniently forgetting that ****they are the government****.

So are you suggesting that in my evaluation of two candidates -- one of whom is hostile to Evangelical Christianity and its interpretations of Scriptural principles and one of whom professes Christianity and supports my interpretation of Scriptural principles as they apply to current topics of concern -- when I base my choice in part on the respective philosophies of the candidates I am casting my vote in violation of Article VI of the Constitution?

44 posted on 07/31/2008 9:36:35 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: angkor

i see the eradication of religion from politics and the marketplace of ideas as demonstrably destructive and dangerous. Article VI prohibits a religious test, however it does not prohibit religious people from holding office. A candidate’s faith, just like what books they enjoy, whether they have pets, or children, is going to be a matter of interest. Some people may vote for a candidate because he has a German Shepherd, other’s because he is a man of faith. People cast votes for a variety of different reasons, religion is merely one of them. secular progressives run amok will be our undoing as a nation.


45 posted on 07/31/2008 9:41:01 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: VRWCmember; angkor

apparently angkor would PROHIBIT consideration of a candidate’s religious beliefs, in his interpretation of the Constitution.


46 posted on 07/31/2008 9:41:54 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: VRWCmember

>>>>>supports my interpretation of Scriptural principles as they apply to current topics...... when I base my choice in part on the respective philosophies of the candidates I am casting my vote in violation of Article VI of the Constitution?

That a particular political position happens to mesh with your religious beliefs is irrelevant, because it could very well simultaneously mesh with those of the atheist, the Hindu, the Jew, or the Buddhist. Morals and ethics are not usually the province of some specific religion, but usually are common to the polity.

Beyond that, why would a candidate be discussing the doctrinal and sectarian issues that are pertinent to a specific faith? What’s the point?

Dissing the intent of Article VI as you have done above is no different than dissing Amendments I to X, IMO.


47 posted on 07/31/2008 9:54:09 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: xsmommy

>>>>Article VI prohibits a religious test, however it does not prohibit religious people from holding office.

Yes, that’s the point made over and over and over again by our Founders.


48 posted on 07/31/2008 9:58:52 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

so what’s your gripe with an article that details bobby jindal’s religious journey? your response seems way out of proportion to the article and to this subject in general. people are going to vote for religious people for office because they are religious. it’s not prohibited by the Constitution and there really isn’t a darn thing you can do to stop them. so, again, why are your panties in a twist about this piece?


49 posted on 07/31/2008 10:02:04 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Natchez Hawk; angkor
The ‘religious persecution’ whine is the most annoying bit of self pity/self delusion in the nation by far.

These people are so ‘brave’ by declaring their religious beliefs. Give me a break.

BRAVO! Somebody needed to say it. I've always called "BS" since Father Healey kept telling us that Catholics were "persecuted" in the United States, despite the fact that Catholic politicians ran our state, and that declaring oneself a Catholic opened one up to "persecution." Yeah, we are living in Stalin's USSR.

50 posted on 07/31/2008 10:02:49 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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