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Immodest Dress in the Church: Like Frogs in Boiling Water [Ecumenic]
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/5/2008 | Jenna Murphy`

Posted on 8/6/2008, 2:32:03 PM by Pyro7480

In recent years what with acceptable fashion standards taking a major plunge (literally) into the realm of 'anything goes', young women are left to face conscious decisions in how they dress themselves, not realizing the weight that such decisions carry.

Speaking to youth in Australia on July 18, Pope Benedict XVI mentioned modesty as he told of how becoming fully human means rejecting those voices that lead us into worshipping 'false gods.'

"People sometimes treat others as objects to satisfy their own needs rather than as persons to be loved and cherished. How easy it is to be deceived by the many voices in our society that advocate a permissive approach to sexuality, without regard for modesty, self-respect or the moral values that bring quality to human relationships! This is worship of a false god. Instead of bringing life, it brings death."

Those women who wish to remain modest in their dress have been increasingly left to their own defenses as recent fashion trends leave 'conservative dress' virtually impossible, if not extinct. Nowadays, anyone left clinging to conservative dress in the incoming tide of cleavage-baring tank-tops and clothing requiring classification (i.e. 'is that a shirt or a dress?') is left feeling, quite simply, alienated.

A specialized group called 'Pure Fashion' has suggested that being fashionable does not need to mean lowering ones standards and one's dignity. Pure Fashion challenges young women to embrace the fullness of their femininity: which means recognizing the power inherent to the human body and respecting this great gift (through dressing modestly) instead of harvesting its power for selfish reasons.

In his bulletin article become blog entry entitled "Immodest Dress: A Priest Cries for Modesty," Father John Michael Lyons OMV, addresses the issue of immodest dress even among the most faithful Catholics ('daily communicants') let alone the general population.

Defining immodest dress vaguely as 'anything revealing,' Father Lyons mentions that the problem is not only relevant for young women but more particularly for older women.

"Maybe [immodestly dressed older women] think that they're beyond the age of posing a temptation (and maybe they are). However, they are giving bad example to others - most notably their own daughters and grandchildren. They, too, are committing scandal. Those who see them will think: 'She's a good Catholic, and she wears revealing clothing. It must be okay.'"

And so begins the downward spiral towards the complete dilution of a sense of modesty.

In a time where what was previously morally unthinkable has become our reality, it seems that modest dress has become an 'irrelevant' consideration, even amongst some of the Church's most faithful. At the very least it seems to have taken a backseat in the effort to uphold the larger moral framework that continues to threaten its own collapse. Pro-life groups have even suggested modesty should not be 'part of the program'.

In an era where the 'wisdom of the ages' has little to no weight, and, like rebellious teenagers, our society seeks to forge their own feel-good method of approaching morality, it is widely believed that traditional views on the intrinsic value of modesty have been proved to be laughable.

In the 1950s, however, Pope Pius XII was very frank with Christian mothers, underscoring the central importance of modesty: "The good of our soul is more important than that of our body; and we have to prefer the spiritual welfare of our neighbor to our bodily comforts… If a certain kind of dress constitutes a grave and proximate occasion of sin, and endangers the salvation of your soul and others, it is your duty to give it up… O Christian mothers, if you knew what a future of anxieties and perils, of ill-guarded shame you prepare for your sons and daughters, imprudently getting them accustomed to live scantily dressed and making them lose the sense of modesty, you would be ashamed of yourselves and you would dread the harm you are making of yourselves, the harm which you are causing these children, whom Heaven has entrusted to you to be brought up as Christians."

In many efforts to 'build up' and to 'empower' women, the world often facilitates precisely the opposite. Womanhood has been contracted and constricted to an unattainable, inhuman picture of pseudo-femininity and the sooner we jump out of the pot, the better.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
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An issues that especially rears its ugly head in the summertime.
1 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:32:04 PM by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:32:38 PM by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480

here here!

Even weddings are starting to look like porn pageants.


3 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:34:59 PM by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Pyro7480

I’ve always had a philosophy, why would you dress in God’s house, any less respectful than you would if you where visiting the President or Queen?


5 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:39:39 PM by mnehring
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To: Pyro7480

The kids in our parish are usually pretty good about this sort of thing, but there are a couple of statuesque girls who occasionally make it difficult for me to keep my mind on the mass.

Things have gotten a lot better since that “belly shirt” craze went away.


6 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:41:00 PM by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Pyro7480

with as many churches turning more and more into carnivals, fairs, rock concerts, and all type of media extravaganzas.. is there any wonder why people dress like they’re attending such?


7 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:41:32 PM by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: Pyro7480

I’m a Catholic.

In a recent parish bulletin, our pastor wrote the following: “Beach wear is not appropriate for the eternal feast.” I’ll say.

The people at our masses look like they just came from a Redskins game.

Not good.

In a related item, fellow Freepers: People dress like that at Broadway shows now...same at the Met.

Time was, going to a play on “The Great White Way” and the opera or the ballet, used to be events that people dressed up for.

Why do people dress so inappropriately at church and elsewhere? Have we turned into a nation of sluggos with regard to dress?


8 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:42:53 PM by RexBeach ("Americans never quit!" Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Pyro7480
I'm appalled at not only the immodesty of some females but at the general scruffiness of both sexes.


9 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:42:55 PM by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: Pyro7480

I’m glad to see this issue being addressed. It’s a problem, and not just in Church.


10 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:43:17 PM by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480
...and it's not just the teens and young adults.

It's also the more mature, augmented women, that want to make sure they get the attention they paid for.

11 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:47:42 PM by TexasCajun
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To: Pyro7480

I think half the kids at our Sunday Mass come in their soccer uniforms....


12 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:48:27 PM by Eepsy (12-30-2008 +1)
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To: silverleaf

“Even weddings are starting to look like porn pageants”

When my husband & I were married 18 years ago; our priest asked me what my wedding dress and bridesmaid dresses were like - he told me that a few weeks prior when the wedding party came out of the limo - he told them all to cover themselves and look respectable or they were not going to be married in Most Holy Trinity that day!


13 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:54:43 PM by SAMS ("I may look harmless, but I raised a U.S. MARINE!" Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: silverleaf

***porn pageants***

Not sure what that is, but I suspect you are right.


14 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:54:45 PM by Gamecock (The question is not, "Am I good enough to be a Christian?" rather "Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: Pyro7480
In recent years what with acceptable fashion standards taking a major plunge (literally) into the realm of 'anything goes', young women are left to face conscious decisions in how they dress themselves, not realizing the weight that such decisions carry.

Honey lamb, get an editor. This is ghastly composition.

15 posted on 8/6/2008, 2:59:39 PM by Tax-chick (When life gives you habaneros, make hot sauce!)
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To: SAMS
Where we live most of the brides wear strapless dresses, and most are also zaftig at best. Not a good combination if one is interested in modesty.
16 posted on 8/6/2008, 3:00:20 PM by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yup, anytime I have to reread at sentence at least twice on a simple subject...


17 posted on 8/6/2008, 3:01:13 PM by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: trisham

“The bride was topless!” could be the caption for many of those.


18 posted on 8/6/2008, 3:02:04 PM by Tax-chick (When life gives you habaneros, make hot sauce!)
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To: mnehrling
I’ve always had a philosophy, why would you dress in God’s house, any less respectful than you would if you where visiting the President or Queen?

Quite simply, because if you showed up in a tank-top at a White House affair you'd politely but firmly be asked to leave. When was the last time this happened at church? If the church refuses to set standards why should anyone be surprised if the laity concludes they aren't important?

19 posted on 8/6/2008, 3:02:28 PM by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: mnehrling

The God-man Jesus (our Brother) revealed to us that God is also our Father, and our Helper.

We do not enjoy such personal family intimacy with the president or queen.


20 posted on 8/6/2008, 3:02:34 PM by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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