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To: Antioch
What a buffoon she is! Her "dodge" is really pathetic, if you think about it. She resorts to Catholic theologians who lived way before the advent of modern biology and microscopy, who, in their own day, clearly did have some room for speculation on this point (though, even then, they would have erred on the side of caution for the most part).

However! The advances in embryology alone over the last 100+ years have removed all doubt as to when and how fertilization occurs, and how the initial cell grows via division. That aspect alone proves that the fertilized ovum is "alive." At least on the same level as single-celled and primitive mullti-celled organisms are indisputably "alive." Advances in genetics, at any rate, clearly tell us that this dividing mass of cells is not just the same morally as simple organisms. The Church Fathers she is so fond of quoting certainly knew nothing about the genetics involved, so they would be equally incompetent witnesses to her argument on this point. From the beginning, we are talking about what is genetically human. There is no room for denial on this point!

But, from a Catholic perspective - which, she protests that she "practices ardently" - there's more! The dogma of the Immaculate Conception should, for any "Catholic," remove all doubt on the matter. By derivation from the definition of the dogma, Mary was conceived "immaculate," and, since this refers to the state of her soul, and since only human beings are conceived with souls where this could even be an issue, it follows that Mary, from the first moment of her conception in her mother's womb, was a "human being" in the eyes of God, composed of a body (however tiny at the time) and an immortal soul>. She was, then, "alive" in the fullest sense, and as "human" as Pelosi allegedly is now herself.

Again, the Immaculate Conception is a dogma binding on all of the Catholic faithful. Pelosi, as a Catholic, is obliged to embrace this, as well as its logical implications. She hasn't got a leg to stand on in here pitiful argumentation. She should be publicly excommunicated just on the basis of her Meet the Press comments alone, on the grounds that she has given scandal to potentially millions of Christians, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, and injected patent falsehoods into the discussion for the pseudo-edification of many ignorant people who are subject to the misinformation she sputtered. Matthew 18:6-9 was surely spoken by Jesus with just this sort of a miserable excuse for a human being in mind! She needs prayers, but, for the present, and for her own spiritual medicine as well as that of countless of her "followers," she needs to be "shown the door" and bounced-out of the Church. With the upturned candles and the whole bit! And the Kennedy-Kerry-Biden wing along with her!

49 posted on 08/25/2008 6:55:23 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium; Antioch
[Pelosi] needs prayers, but, for the present, and for her own spiritual medicine as well as that of countless of her "followers," she needs to be "shown the door" and bounced-out of the Church...And the Kennedy-Kerry-Biden wing along with her!

That will be the day! We have yet to see the Church have enough courage to publicly deny communion to any of these.

Otherwise, the Catechism is not worth the paper it's written on and the Church is no different then the Anglican Communion, where anything goes.

It is clear that the Church is not ready for a confrontation; rather she's "appealing" to these people to "avoid communion" on their own! How likely is that going to be?!?

As long as Pelosi and others like her can publicly disagree with the Vatican without any repercussions, the message to all Catholics is: believe and do whatever you feel is right; the Church will not censure you.

Sooner or later, empty threats and warnings become a laughing matter. If the Church is not ready to stand by her own teachings, how can she expect the faithful to stand by them?!?

I'm waiting...

50 posted on 08/26/2008 4:58:22 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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