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Fundamental Evolution
Vanity | Forscher

Posted on 09/01/2008 12:21:56 PM PDT by Forscher

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Unnecessary confrontation between religion and science hurts both.

Special Relativity suggests time does not move equally everywhere in the universe. Mean age of the universe may be much shorter than local time in an expanding universe.

1 posted on 09/01/2008 12:21:57 PM PDT by Forscher
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2 posted on 09/01/2008 12:37:25 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Forscher

read later - and some formatting would help!


3 posted on 09/01/2008 12:55:43 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Forscher

Religion and science work better together than at odds.


4 posted on 09/01/2008 12:59:59 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Forscher

Please format into legible paragraphs.

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FWIW, There is a fundamental error in evolution. Evolution approaches Scripture from a point of view that that there really isn’t a Creature - Creator distinction. In order to properly understand science, one needs to begin in a proper framework, not begging the question that God really didn’t create man in his own image with body, soul and spirit.


5 posted on 09/01/2008 1:08:01 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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FWIW, There is a fundamental error in evolution. Evolution approaches Scripture from a point of view that that there really isn’t a Creature - Creator distinction.

Sorry, that is not the case. Evolution does not deal with scripture at all.

6 posted on 09/01/2008 1:10:26 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Evolution approaches Scripture

Huh?
7 posted on 09/01/2008 1:14:20 PM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of. And the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Quite clearly birds started out as birds...Dogs started out as dogs...And humans started out as humans...

Satan is not mentioned anywhere in Genesis, nor in Exodus, for that matter.

But one would have to be biblically illiterate to not see that the serpent in Genesis is that old serpent, Lucifer, Satan...

Assorted sects angrily proclaimed the earth to be flat, right into the 20th Century. Actually, the Bible doesn’t say anything about these matters.

It most certainly does...

All science is doing if figuring out what God has already created...And science has a tremendous amount of corrections to make before it gets it right...

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

8 posted on 09/01/2008 1:50:39 PM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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Quite clearly birds started out as birds"

Sure. Except when the infallible One screwed up and called bats birds in Leviticus 11:19.

Oops.
9 posted on 09/01/2008 2:17:51 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: Coyoteman

That’s right, it views everything as though the Creation is the Creator.


10 posted on 09/01/2008 2:20:11 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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Sure. Except when the infallible One screwed up and called bats birds in Leviticus 11:19.

Well, God called called them fowls...We call fowls, birds...

Lev 11:20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

You know of any birds that travel by creeping on the ground, on ALL FOUR??? I can't think of any at the moment...

If God says bats are fowls, then they are fowls regardless of what scientists say...And when God says some of these 'birds' walk on four legs, I'll believe Him...I don't have to see one to believe it...

God made these things...If I can't figure it out, that's not God's problem...It's mine...

11 posted on 09/01/2008 2:30:18 PM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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If God says bats are fowls, then they are fowls regardless of what scientists say...And when God says some of these 'birds' walk on four legs, I'll believe Him...I don't have to see one to believe it...

I'll give you points for honesty. But I won't mistake your willful ignorance for integrity.

A fowl is a bird. All birds have feathers. Feathers (and some other characteristics, but we'll keep it simple) define a bird. Period.

Bats are mammals. Bats do not have feathers. Bats nurse their young through mammary glands are are covered with hair. Birds do not have hair and do not have mammary glands. Period.

As for birds walking on all fours, you have three choices: There exists a quadpedal bird somewhere we haven't found yet, the Bible is referring to dinosaurs from which birds evolved, or the Bible messed up again.

If the last option, that's okay. You're on the right path to realizing the Bible does that a lot.
12 posted on 09/01/2008 2:38:01 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
the Bible is referring to dinosaurs from which birds evolved, or the Bible messed up again.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Lev 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; Lev 11:15 Every raven after his kind;
Lev 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after his kind,

Hmmm...God even shoots down the theory of evolution within a species...

God doesn't use the word mammel...That's a science word...If God says a bat is a fowl, then it's a fowl...

Let's see here...I can either believe you and science, or, I can believe God...Guess who I'm going to believe...

13 posted on 09/01/2008 2:58:44 PM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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I”m not going to change your mind. Just for the record, you are saying that a hair covered animal with mammary glands is indeed a bird because a 2000 year old, many-times-translated-and-re-translated text says so? Despite the fact that all the other animals mentioned in the relevant passages are indeed birds and bats surely don’t fit in, but you will continue to believe bats are somehow birds.

Fair enough. I don’t care, but that’s just weird.

And FWIW, there are a lot of horrifying little beasties that creepeth upon the earth that have caused much torment and death over the ages. But God saw that they were good.


14 posted on 09/01/2008 3:03:45 PM PDT by whattajoke
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read later - and some formatting would help!

Something is off here, that no one else has pointed out. This self-written vanity column - with no URL or source mentioned cited - has page numbers and breaks that appear in the middle of paragraphs.

Forscher, can you explain where you cut-and-pasted this from?

15 posted on 09/01/2008 3:35:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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Scripture preceded the theory of evolution. Evolution approaches the issues of the origin of life after it has already been provided by God in Scripture.

Evolution begs the question of the origins of life by failing to recognize the Creature-Creator distinction as is provided in Scripture.


16 posted on 09/01/2008 3:45:36 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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Evolution begs the question of the origins of life by failing to recognize the Creature-Creator distinction as is provided in Scripture.

The TOE has nothing to do with the origins of life. Nothing at all. It doesn't "beg" any such thing. One could very easily argue that astronomy and physics "beg" the origin of life a heck of lot more than the TOE.
17 posted on 09/01/2008 3:50:16 PM PDT by whattajoke
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That’s right, it views everything as though the Creation is the Creator.

Sorry, you still don't have it right.

Evolution does not deal with scripture or origins. It deals with change in the genome.

18 posted on 09/01/2008 4:16:40 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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"Sure. Except when the infallible One screwed up and called bats birds in Leviticus 11:19."
Did you get that from the original Hebrew?
19 posted on 09/01/2008 4:27:21 PM PDT by Fichori (I am more qualified than Obama to be President. But then agian, so is Homer Simpson.)
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To: Forscher

No.

The English translation of the OT can be twisted and construed to agree with naturalistic evolution, but a literal reading of the Hebrew cannot.


20 posted on 09/01/2008 4:36:11 PM PDT by Fichori (I am more qualified than Obama to be President. But then agian, so is Homer Simpson.)
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