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Update: Biden skips Mass where new Bishop speaks out against him
American Papist ^ | September 9, 2008 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 09/09/2008 10:17:01 AM PDT by NYer

Once again, my low expectations are wonderfully surpassed.

Reader John V notes that Biden, as I predicted, skipped town:
"Looks like you were right. [Biden] was in Wilmington yesterday, but had to go to Green Bay today."
And it's a good thing, too. I wouldn't have wanted to present myself for communion after this homily by Bishop Malooly:

... Mary’s mother, St. Anne, carried a very special life in her womb which serves as a vivid reminder that every life is special. We will continue to stress the constant teaching of the Church that each person must respect every life from conception to natural death. And we will continue to seek the intercession of Saint Thomas More for Statesmen, Politicians, Supreme Court Justices, Judges and Lawyers—that they may be courageous and effective in defending and promoting the sanctity of human life, the foundation of every human right, the foundation of our love for the poor.

While Bishop Fran Malooly does not name Joe Biden (or Nancy Pelosi) by name, anyone who has been keeping up on this story knows what's being said quite plainly.
Nor is the St. Thomas More reference a throw-away line, I would argue. In his new book on Catholic voting, Abp. Charles Chaput spends an entire section talking about the example of St. Thomas More.
Coincidence? Perhaps. But lest we forget, St. Thomas summed up his witness in one line before his martyrdom:
"I die the King's good servant - but God's first."


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics; Worship
KEYWORDS: abortion; biden; catholic; de; obamabiden; wilmington

1 posted on 09/09/2008 10:17:01 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/09/2008 10:17:57 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Sarah Palin will use this against him when he brings up her “extremist views”. The leaders of her church aren’t denying communion to her, so would he care to explain?


3 posted on 09/09/2008 10:52:24 AM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: NYer

Bump for later


4 posted on 09/09/2008 11:17:27 AM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: Kevmo
The leaders of her church aren’t denying communion to her

Well, she isn't Catholic, so they would deny her Communion were she to present herself. One must be Catholic, in communion with the Church's teachings and in a state of grace in order to worthily receive Holy Communion.

5 posted on 09/09/2008 2:41:33 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: NeoCaveman; xsmommy

MMmm.....running scared?


6 posted on 09/09/2008 2:43:03 PM PDT by tioga (Big Mac and the Cuda - 2008)
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To: ELS

Well, she isn’t Catholic, so they would deny her Communion were she to present herself. One must be Catholic, in communion with the Church’s teachings and in a state of grace in order to worthily receive Holy Communion.
***And it is those catholic leaders who are denying communion to Biden. The leaders in Palin’s church are not denying communion to her. If you were a catholic (sounds like you might be) and the leaders of your church denied communion to you, would that put you at the mainstream or the extreme?


7 posted on 09/09/2008 2:50:01 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: tioga

he has the excuse of campaigning to be off traveling and can pick and choose where he attends mass. ole smarmy joe isn’t going to let himself be caught at the altar rail getting dissed for communion. i love that the pressure is on, though!


8 posted on 09/09/2008 3:18:09 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

poor joey, this isn’t the dream time of his life he had planned.


9 posted on 09/09/2008 3:22:29 PM PDT by tioga (Big Mac and the Cuda - 2008)
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To: Kevmo
The leaders in Palin’s church are not denying communion to her.

I don't know if her church even has communion.

10 posted on 09/09/2008 3:27:19 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: NYer
Just need to have Bishops/Archbishops/Cardinals to follow in the footsteps of Archbishop Emeritus John Francis Donoghue who banned pro-abort Catholic politicians from receiving communion in the Archdiocee of Atlanta.

Speaking of which, Obama is pulling out Georgia. Maybe he realizes that his running mate Joe Biden could pull a real boner by going to Mass in Georgia... [Though Joe Biden is allowed to receive communion in the Diocese of Savannah.]

11 posted on 09/09/2008 4:31:37 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: ELS

If they were denying her communion due to her stance on something such as the prolife issues which Biden’s leaders are, the media would be all over it. You know that. So answer the question put to you in the post rather than avoiding it.


12 posted on 09/09/2008 7:28:19 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: NYer
Who would not protect life in its ultimate innocence?

A ghoul.

13 posted on 09/09/2008 10:16:08 PM PDT by onedoug ( Barracuda!)
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To: Kevmo
If you were a catholic (sounds like you might be) and the leaders of your church denied communion to you, would that put you at the mainstream or the extreme?

Is this the question you are referring to? It is a hypothetical that wouldn't apply to me (the premise is false) because I wouldn't present myself for Communion unless I was in a state of grace. In more general terms, there is not enough information to draw a definite conclusion.

I understand what you're trying to say, but that is not a good example. If one defiantly presents themselves for Communion knowing that they are not in a state of grace, well, they place their salvation in peril by committing a sacrilege.

14 posted on 09/09/2008 10:27:00 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

If one defiantly presents themselves for Communion knowing that they are not in a state of grace, well, they place their salvation in peril by committing a sacrilege.
***Ok then, would that put you at the mainstream or the extreme?


15 posted on 09/09/2008 10:28:52 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: ELS

In a report by Bill Salmon today on Special Report by Brit Hume, he said that Sarah Palin was born a Catholic and had moved on to other churches.

Once a Catholic — always a Catholic.

Now we know why she is so strong on pro-life issues!


16 posted on 09/09/2008 10:33:59 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kevmo
Perhaps you have not seen this -- applies to Biden also.

Thursday, September 04, 2008

Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi

Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
  1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver was the first American bishop to respond
  2. ... Bishop James Conley, his auxiliary, joined him
  3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington DC responded twice, first in a press release and second in a statement to The Hill. He has also appeared on Fox News, I am told.
  4. Cardinal Justin Regali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities, issued this statement through the USCCB website...
  5. ... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
  6. Cardinal Edward Egan of New York publised a strongly worded statement of his own
  7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo issued a letter correcting Pelosi's claims
  8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
  9. ... Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs have chimed-in
  10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio, CNA reports has added his voice ...
  11. ... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
  12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville has published an extensive letter
  13. Bishop Edward Slatter of Tulsa adds himself to the list
  14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas has joined the USCCB's efforts
  15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin is on-board
  16. Bishop James Slattery of Tulsa has a detailed response
  17. Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston mentions the USCCB on his blog
  18. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando has written at length
  19. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis challenges Pelosi's statement
  20. Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops, has weighed-in
  21. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, OR publishes in the Catholic Sentinel
  22. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse, WI responds in a word document
  23. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, N C responds to the misrepresentation
  24. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland, OH will comment in his September 5th column (PDF)
  25. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City, IA has one of the very best responses I've read
  26. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco has invited Pelosi to a "conversation"
{Last updated on September 6th.}

17 posted on 09/09/2008 10:35:31 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: topher

I don’t believe Biden can receive Communion anywhere.


18 posted on 09/09/2008 10:36:58 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for posting Salvation.


19 posted on 09/09/2008 10:40:53 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (I have a friend and pal in SARAH!!!!!!!)
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To: sweetiepiezer

I think there are at least three more Bishops to add to that.


20 posted on 09/09/2008 10:44:47 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; ELS

I’ve seen something like that, thanks. I just wonder if ELS thinks this puts Biden on the extreme. I said, “Sarah Palin will use this against him when he brings up her “extremist views”.”

Palin will have to defend `fairly extreme views,’ Biden says

09/08/2008 11:15:49 AM PDT · by pissant · 73 replies · 1,627+ views
Olympain | 9/8/08 | Steven Schultze
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2077501/posts


21 posted on 09/09/2008 10:44:49 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: sweetiepiezer
From a new list:

{Last updated on September 9th.}

Note: #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.


22 posted on 09/09/2008 10:48:49 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kevmo
I just wonder if ELS thinks this puts Biden on the extreme.

I think Biden's political views regarding abortion put him in the extreme.

23 posted on 09/10/2008 6:10:06 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Salvation
The restriction on the Archdiocese of Atlanta, Diocese of Charlotte and Diocese of Savannah is quite specific. And it can only be rescinded by a pro-abortion politician seeing the Bishop in those Dioceses...

I believe it is spelled out in the Document Worthy to Receive. A friend of mine was the Judicial Vicar of the Archdiocese of Atlanta...

A copy of the document is on the Priests for Life website:

http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-08-04communiontoproaborts.htm

24 posted on 09/10/2008 8:32:21 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Salvation
You have to read this from Bishop Emeritus Garcida of the Diocese of Corpus Christi:

http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-10-01gracida.htm

In my posting from Archbishop (now Emeritus) John Francis Donogue he states that pro-abortion politicians may not receive communion.

Bishop Emeritus Gracida talks about the subject, but he also explains the confusion about the rules giving communion.

25 posted on 09/10/2008 8:46:27 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Salvation
Senator Biden and other pro-abortion politicians should not receive communion anywhere, which is true.

I have only found that the Archdiocese of Atlanta, and the Dioceses of Charlotte and Savannah have a specific prohibition on Holy Communion to pro-abortion politicians -- a prohibition that can only be lifted by the Bishop.

Probably the best statement is one by Cardinal Arinze:

[Note: I am changed the format of the article by Cardinal Arinze to add emphasis to his remarks...

http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/arinze05-11.htm

Remarks from Cardinal Arinze on pro-choice politicians and Holy Communion

November 14, 2005

Inside The Vatican: Recently, an issue that has been given a lot of attention are the moral obligations of Catholics during election times. Is it a duty of them to vote for pro-life politicians, and should those Catholic pro-choice politicians be given communion?

ARINZE: You are asking me if a politician says, "I vote for abortion, and I will continue to ask for abortion." Then you ask should he be given holy communion. So, you are really saying, this politician says, "I vote for the killing of unborn children." Because we call things by their names. And he calls that pro-choice.

Suppose somebody voted for the killing of all the members of the House of Representatives,

"for all of you being killed. I call that pro-choice. Moreover, I am going to receive Holy Communion next Sunday."

Then you ask me, should he be given communion. My reply, "Do you really need a cardinal from the Vatican to answer that question?

" Can a child having made his First Communion not answer that question? Is it really so complicated? The child will give the correct answer immediately, unless he is conditioned by political correctness.

It is a pity, cardinals have to be asked such questions.

If a person has a way of life which is against the major Commandments, and makes a boast of it, then the person is in a state which is publicly sinful. It is he who has disqualified himself, not the priest or the bishop. He should not go to communion, until his life should be in line with the Gospel.

26 posted on 09/10/2008 9:00:43 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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