Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: Bobsvainbabblings

To begin with I have no idea what the Catholic Church teaches. I’m not Catholic. God has not condemned anyone He has sent His Holy Spirit to cause conviction of sin. Satan the snake took what God said and twisted it in the garden. Just as many through history have taken what God has said in His word and twisted it to turn men from God.


37 posted on 10/01/2008 1:56:20 AM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies ]


To: guitarplayer1953
Through the years the Catholic Church produced Creeds defining what the Church believes/believed. The first was the Apostles Creed. This is how it describes the Christ,
 
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell.

The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
 
This is believed to be written in the early 2nd century. Christ was the Son of God and Mary was the mother of the Son of God.
 
Next was the Nicene Creed
 
The Nicene Creed was developed by the early Church largely in response to the teachings of Arius. Arianism taught that Jesus was not truly divine and of a different "substance" than God, which challenged the developing doctrine of the Trinity in the early church. The emperor Constantine, newly converted to Christianity, called a Church Council at Nicæa in AD 325 to bring some unity to the church amid developing controversies and false teachings. The Council at Nicæa adopted an early form of the creed, although the basic present form emerged from the Council of Constantinople in AD 381. It was officially adopted by the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451
 
This is how it describes the Christ; 
 

We believe in one God the Father, the Almighty, creator of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being [substance] with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made truly human. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets.

 

Jesus is now God and Mary is the mother of God. She can now be a perpetual virgin without sin born herself from an immaculate conception. She ascended into heaven not having to endure death where she is queen. She is able to hear our prayers and be a mediator for us to her Son. Some call her a co-redeemer.
 
The Athanasian Creed was adopted in 451
 
While the Athanasian Creed is one of the three most important Creeds of the early Church, its author and origin remains a mystery.  It is named after the well known fourth-century apologist and theologian Anathasius who played an important role in defining and defending the orthodox doctrines of the Trinity and the person of Christ, which are central features of this creed. However, Anathasius died in AD 373 and the Athanasian Creed closely reflects wording of the Nicene Creed adopted by the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451, suggesting that it was written sometime after that. It is not mentioned in historical documents until the later seventh century, and was likely written in the Western Church sometime in the sixth or early seventh century.  However, since the first work on the Nicene Creed began at the Council of Nicæa in AD 325, it is likely that Anathasius helped shape much of the Trinitarian language that the fourth and fifth century church used in both creeds. -Dennis Bratcher, ed.

Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all else, hold to the true Christian Faith. Whoever does not keep this faith pure in all points will certainly perish forever.

Now this is the true Christian faith: We worship one God in three persons and three persons in one God, without mixing the persons or dividing the divine being. For each person -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit -- is distinct, but the deity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory and coeternal in majesty. What the Father is, so is the Son, and so is the Holy Spirit.

The Father is uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated; The Father is eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three who are eternal, but there is one who is eternal, just as they are not three who are uncreated, nor three who are infinite, but there is one who is uncreated and one who is infinite.

In the same way the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, and the Holy Spirit is almighty. And yet they are not three who are almighty, but there is one who is almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Spirit is Lord; yet they are not three Lords, but one Lord.

For just as Christian truth compels us to confess each person individually to be God and Lord, so the true Christian faith forbids us to speak of three Gods or three Lords. The Father is neither made not created, nor begotten of anyone. The Son is neither made nor created, but is begotten of the Father alone. The Holy Spirit is neither made nor created nor begotten, but proceeds from the Father and the Son. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

And within this Trinity none comes before or after; none is greater or inferior, but all three persons are coequal and coeternal, so that in every way, as stated before, all three persons are to be worshiped as one God and one God worshiped as three persons. Whoever wishes to be saved must have this conviction of the Trinity.

It is furthermore necessary for eternal salvation truly to believe that our Lord Jesus Christ also took on human flesh. Now this is the true Christian faith: We believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, is both God and Man. He is God, eternally begotten from the nature of the Father, and he is man, born in time from the nature of his mother, fully God, fully man, with rational soul and human flesh, equal to the Father, as to his deity, less than the Father, as to his humanity; and though he is both God and Man, Christ is not two persons but one, one, not by changing the deity into flesh, but by taking the humanity into God; one, indeed, not by mixture of the natures, but by unity in one person.

For just as the reasonable soul and flesh are one human being, so God and man are one Christ, who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty, and from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will rise again with their own bodies to answer for their personal deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, but those who have done evil will go into everlasting fire.

This is the true Christian Faith. Whoever does not faithfully and firmly believe this cannot be saved.

With this creed we are told that to be saved we must subscribe to the doctrine of the trinity. I find that no where in scripture and nor can you.

It flies in the face of the most repeated scripture from the New Testament, John 3:16; For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

My God is not a God of confusion. He told me he sent His Son. He did not say He came as one of His multiple personalities.

I believe Satan is the father of confusion. How many times have you read or been told the doctrine of the trinity is confusing and hard to understand without help?

Thanks but no thanks. I see no reason to understand something which has no bearing on my salvation and the fruits have done so much damage. 

Satan the snake took what God said and twisted it in the garden. Just as many through history have taken what God has said in His word and twisted it to turn men from God.

 

I agree, that is why I still maintain my God would not advocate something which has had such injurious results. If you believe He is able to sees the future you would have to agree He would see the results both good and bad. I see far more bad than good, if any.

 
God has not condemned anyone. He has condemned all who do not accept His Son which is all the followers of Islam.
 
If God is the author of the Doctrine of the Trinity and can see the future, He is knowingly responsible for all these lost souls. My God says He wants all to come to Him thru His Son. If He is knowingly responsible for all these lost souls, He is a liar and can not be a Holy God.  BVB

38 posted on 10/01/2008 1:04:56 PM PDT by Bobsvainbabblings (Islam, a vile fruit of the Doctrine of the Trinity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson