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To: thefrankbaum

You spent a good deal of time trying to convince me that you don’t pray to Mary, but rather ask her to pray to God for you. Now, the Pope has a Prayer to Mary where he put the “...world in her hands.”

POMPEII, Italy, OCT. 19, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI placed the world in Mary’s hands during his one-day visit to the shrine of Our Lady of the Rosary in Pompeii, near Naples.

The Pope’s leading of the Supplication of the Blessed Virgin of the Rosary, a prayer written by Blessed Bartolo Longo (1841-1926) was one of the high points of this 12th pastoral trip in Italy.

“We implore you to have pity today on the nations that have gone astray, on all Europe, on the whole world, that they might repent and return to your heart,” the text of the prayer reads.

With the words of Bartolo, the Pontiff turned to Mary, saying: “If you will not help us because we are ungrateful and unworthy children of your protection, we will not know to whom to turn.”

Read the thread yourself; it is on FR. This sounds an awful lot like a request for her to exercise her “power” over the world and influence the affairs of men directly. “Help us.” “Have pity on us.” I am now sensing that you led me down a rosy path. If you were not aware of this perspective as the official position, why did you tell me that this was the way you Catholics viewed Mary? If you did know it, then why smear the edges? Disappointed.


37 posted on 10/20/2008 5:21:24 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
You spent a good deal of time trying to convince me that you don’t pray to Mary, but rather ask her to pray to God for you. Now, the Pope has a Prayer to Mary where he put the “...world in her hands.”

Zenit uses some creative language, but, yes, we ask Mary to pray for the whole world. In the same way many people pray for world peace every sunday in their local churches; are we not asking them to put the world in their hands?

Read the thread yourself; it is on FR. This sounds an awful lot like a request for her to exercise her “power” over the world and influence the affairs of men directly. “Help us.” “Have pity on us.” I am now sensing that you led me down a rosy path. If you were not aware of this perspective as the official position, why did you tell me that this was the way you Catholics viewed Mary? If you did know it, then why smear the edges? Disappointed.

Please do not think I have ever tried to mislead you - in no way was that my intention. But, I must say, we relate to Mary as a mother, for if we are to become one with Christ, we must see her as our mother. In asking for her intercession, sometimes we ask her to take pity on us. I'm not sure how this is any different than what we've been discussing..?

53 posted on 10/21/2008 5:35:54 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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