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Pro-Obama Catholic: abortion is 'intrinsic evil,' but you can still vote pro-abortion
CNA ^ | October 20, 2008

Posted on 10/20/2008 12:25:53 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 10/20/2008 12:25:54 PM PDT by NYer
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As long as we can kill (and lie) why don’t we bring back slavery, too?


2 posted on 10/20/2008 12:26:51 PM PDT by unspun (Pray and Work! http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

An example of twisting words to suit one’s purpose. Do words still have meaning?


3 posted on 10/20/2008 12:27:04 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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This is so dreadful. The Casey Anthony of theology.


4 posted on 10/20/2008 12:33:04 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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Kaveny et. al. can lie to Catholic, Protestants, atheists, etc, BUT she won’t be able to lie to God. And she’ll have to answer to Him for those lies.


5 posted on 10/20/2008 12:33:42 PM PDT by Jackson57
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On the lighter side, Boston College hasn’t decided if it’s appropriate to have a Knights of Columbus Council on campus. Like Harvard does.


6 posted on 10/20/2008 12:33:46 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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M. Cathleen Kaveny, one of the three high profile self-described pro-life Catholics who supports Sen. Barack Obama that abortion is indeed an intrinsic evil, but that it is still okay to vote for pro-abortion candidates, since “intrinsic evil,” may not be “grave” enough.

I'd like to see M. Cathleen trying to make that argument to St. Peter - something tells me she'll be headed in the other direction!

7 posted on 10/20/2008 12:34:06 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average "Whitey" - clinging to my guns and religion!)
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Illogical nonsense. Parsing the term “intrinsically evil” is ridiculous.

However, I will say that one can believe abortion to be “intrinsically evil” and still vote for Obama. Abortion isn’t the only issue out there. Perhaps they think war is also intrinsically evil, and they’ve bought into the line that Republicans are warmongers.

Perhaps, to their mind, it is a matter of choosing the lesser of the intrinsic evils.

H


8 posted on 10/20/2008 12:35:14 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (Keep Austin Quarantined ...)
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I used to take the bus from Staten Island to Manhattan in the mornings with a guy who is voting for Obama. I asked him, how as a practicing Catholic and a member of the Knights of Columbus could he rationationalize pulling the lever for Obama? Well, he said, people are lying about Obama’s stance on abortion. John McCain speaks with forked-tongue. McCain is too old. If he drops dead we’d get stuck with Palin and we’d all be playing hockey. Needless to say I had to stop taking that bus. I am sick to my stomach over that.


9 posted on 10/20/2008 12:36:08 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: massgopguy

That’s typical of Mr. Drinans hang out!
Good ole BC.


10 posted on 10/20/2008 12:36:51 PM PDT by LuigiBasco (It's almost too late to restart The Crusades. (What are we waiting for))
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To: NYer

Actions still have meaning, and Jesus WILL be judging us on HIS standards not ours. I believe our Pope has made his sentiments known, and we better NOT vote for a pro-abortion candidate.


11 posted on 10/20/2008 12:38:40 PM PDT by tioga
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Infanticide isn’t a significant violation of justice? Murder of the innocent isn’t a significant violation of justice? Third parties shouldn’t interefere to stop intrinsically evil acts? I propose Kaveny should subject herself to the intrinsically evil act of murder by a gang member while a third party legally carrying a concealed weapon look on and do nothing to stop it, then if she manages to survive she can tell us if she still holds the same intrisically evil opinion.


12 posted on 10/20/2008 12:39:02 PM PDT by messierhunter
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Isn’t this just Bernardin’s “seemless garment” argument repackaged in different wrapping?


13 posted on 10/20/2008 12:39:17 PM PDT by marshmallow
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What exactly are her pro-life credentials? A quick google didn’t seem to show any. And she’s into “bioethics,” to my mind a red flag, indicating basically a way with words to justify anything! Her ND bio says she lectures frequently on assisted suicide (but doesn’t mention which side she’s on!).


14 posted on 10/20/2008 12:40:32 PM PDT by maryz
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To quote St. Thomas More to his friend, Rich, “Rich, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world if in doing so he loses his immortal soul, but for Wales?”

Insert any name from Wales...


15 posted on 10/20/2008 12:40:41 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Jackson57

And she’ll have to answer to Him for those lies.
and for the millions of innocents she allowed to be slaughtered.


16 posted on 10/20/2008 12:40:47 PM PDT by Bitsy
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the flaw in that is that more babies are murdered through abortion than in the Iraq war daily.....ie, you would save more lives by voting the aborton issues rather than the war issues.


17 posted on 10/20/2008 12:40:47 PM PDT by tioga
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I’m a Catholic and I’m anti-abortion... but I don’t need my religion to tell me abortion is murder. Simple instinct and common sense are all that’s needed.


18 posted on 10/20/2008 12:45:08 PM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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Abortion involves first the mother, then the ‘doctor’, the President, the Congress and lastly the voter. Addressing the mother and the doctor makes it a moral issue. Addressing the President, Congress and the voter makes it a political issue. I think it would be better for the Bishops to take care of abortion moral matters first before making it political. Convincing the mother not to have an abortion would end the matter.

Our history made alcohol drinking a sufficient moral imperative for some that a constitutional amendment was passed but later reversed. If religions can't convince the sinner, laws won't convince them either.

19 posted on 10/20/2008 12:48:43 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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"Little Murders," an address given by Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver.
20 posted on 10/20/2008 12:49:05 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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