Posted on 10/21/2008 6:22:38 AM PDT by Ottofire
Again, you asked about that language, not about the Second Commandment.
Does your "rigorous scholarship" of Catholicism find that gratuitous ad-hom comments are appropriate?
It was neither ad hominem nor gratuitous. As you have demonstrated, it was merely correct.
So simple that my three-year-old "gets it"- "Jesus died for me so I can be in Heaven with Him"
That's fine for a three-year-old, but can hardly be said to encompass the whole of Christ's message.
Look, given your first response to my question, you obviously were not aware of the Catholic teaching regarding the commandment “do not take the Lord’s name in vain”; the second commandment. If your embarrassment spurns you to more rigorous Catholic scholarship, then my work here is done.
I certainly agree. There are plenty of reasons why a 120 year old church would need to be renovated, but that DOES NOT necessitate adding a bunch of modernistic edifices for the Kumbaya crowd.
I know that my perception of size, time and distance at the age of five was very different from today. I can easily see where I would look out at a crowd and think that it had 300 people because I had nothing else to base my reference on. In reality, a small auditorium would seat 300 people. My wedding was attended by over 600 people in a church that is much smaller than the one shown and the church was not full.
U R baaad.
The drivel from the usual quarter is why I’ve given up these threads, lowers the blood pressure too. And... it’s not even Lent!
Any chance of answering the question? You’ve had just about a whole day...
Yeah, just about what I thought.
There appears to be a disconnect. That place holds a great deal more than 300 hundred.
I'm curious, which bishop and which diocese?
I'm wondering because it would seem to me that it would have to be an important person's funeral for a bishop to agree if he hated the person and I would think that if the bishop was saying the mass for such an important person that it would be in the cathedral and not a parish church.
True so far.
...the second commandment.
Nope. False. You didn't ask about the Second Commandment.
If your embarrassment spurns you to more rigorous Catholic scholarship, then my work here is done.
I am only embarrassed for you. You really just don't get it.
Look, given your first response to my question, you obviously were not aware of the Catholic teaching regarding the commandment “do not take the Lord’s name in vain”;
You did ask that question, that is "true so far."
That I was "not aware of the Catholic teaching regarding it," that's still false.
And instead of responding with corrections to my inaccuracies (about the Catholic, not about scripture, which I am confident about) I get attacked as being anti-Catholic.
And if I am attacked enough it will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
All I am say is that I would not pray to Mary as I would not pray to my friends. I do not believe that dead humans can hear prayers and intercede for us and there is NOTHING biblical that suggests otherwise.
Huh? Yeah, that’s part of it. But you may want to read Paul’s letters again ... I think you missed some of the other parts.
Pray means "ask." If you ask your friends to pray for you, it is no different than asking Mary to pray for you.
I do not believe that dead humans can hear prayers and intercede for us...
She's not dead.
...and there is NOTHING biblical that suggests otherwise.
There is nothing biblical that mandates sola scriptura, and in any event, I suspect your statement reflects the use of a redacted, 66-book-version of the Bible.
St Joseph’s was at the time the largest cathedral in Santa Clara County. Vincent J. Romano had been considered an “important person” in the Bay Area.
The consensus of opinion within the family at the time was that the Bishop took charge expressly to insult the family at the funeral. The Pastor of St. Joseph was a friend to many in the family. He had baptized my mother, her eight brothers and sisters, and 22 cousins.
Actually, St. Joseph’s was not approved as a cathedral until 1985.
http://www.stjosephcathedral.org/Home/History/Timeline/tabid/84/Default.aspx
I have NEVER heard of any priest or bishop saying a funeral mass against the wishes of the family, who was the bishop?
You simply don’t have the correct picture.
It was a black banner with a silver/white fringe, about ten feet long, give or take a foot, and about 30 inches wide, or slightly less, with a six or seven inch wide white band running up the center, and another band running crossways about 18 inches from one end, forming a cross with a very long shaft. The cross end was draped to the floor, forming an inverted cross very plainly.
The Pastor assured my grandmother that what the Bishop did was not an accepted practice, and apologised for what happened.
I don’t recall the names, it was a long time ago (58 or 59 years) and all that would likely know are themselves deceased.
Someone seems to have yanked your link.
LOL
It's called a funeral pall, and there are many different designs available, of course the chances are small I'd illustrate the exact one you saw. You do know that the pastor or bishop is not the one to place the funeral pall on the casket, don't you. It is the family.
There may have been more than 300, but the number that I recall having signed the book was a little over 300.
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