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God Removes His Hand from the United States
Liveprayer.com ^ | 11/05/08 | Bill Keller

Posted on 11/05/2008 2:38:05 AM PST by DarthVader

(1 Samuel 8:1-21)

But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do." 1 Samuel 8:6-9

The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king." 1 Samuel 8:21

God removes His hand from the United States, it is now time to act! With the election of Barack Hussein Obama as the next President of the United States, yesterday marked a watershed day spiritually for this nation. For decades now, this country has been operating in rebellion to God and His Truth. We legally slaughter 4,000 babies every day. We have made a mockery of God's Holy Institution of Marriage. God's plan for the family has been decimated. We have totally given ourselves over to the lusts of the flesh and the pleasures of this temporal world. We have bowed down to and worshipped every false god and idol created in rebellion to the God of the Bible.

Out of our rebellion to God, the people have now elected a man to lead this nation who is a staunch supporter of legalized infanticide. Speaking to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund on July 17, 2007, Senator Obama said, "The first thing I'd do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I'd do." President Obama will repay the support of those in the baby killing industry by insuring abortion on demand at any stage of the pregnancy, and through executive orders, he will wipe out any progress individual states have made in trying to ban abortions in their state. As President, he will elect judges to the US Supreme Court who will insure Roe vs. Wade is never overturned, as well as activist judges to the Federal Courts who will rule on the side of death in any abortion cases.

President Obama is also a great friend to the homosexual community and will be a champion of their radical agenda. President Obama will make it easy for gay couples to adopt children. I remember years ago warning people in my Daily Devotional that the homosexual community was targeting your children. People said I was over reacting. Today, an entire generation of children has grown up being brainwashed that being gay is normal and acceptable. They are being indoctrinated as young as kindergarten that there is nothing wrong with this choice of deviant sex. Again, through executive orders he will wipe out any gains made by various states to insure gay marriage will quickly spread across the nation, and the judges he appoints will help the radical gay agenda to move forward.

Today, the people of Israel should be very concerned. Over these past 60 years, they could always count on the full and total support from the United States government. No longer. It is bad enough we have had numerous Presidents now trying to make peace by giving away part of the land God gave to the children of Israel to those who want to see the Jewish people wiped off the face of the globe. Under President Obama, Israel will no longer have a friend in Washington that they can count on. Sadly for this nation, Genesis 12:3 that promises God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel is still in effect.

The truly sick fact is this will all be done by a man who will professes to be a Christian. Despite supporting the killing of innocent babies, the agenda and special rights of those who choose to commit acts of homosexuality, and believing the universalistic lie that everyone will get to Heaven regardless what they believe, President Obama proclaims to be a Christian. I have told you for the past few years that the biggest problem in Christianity, is the ever growing group of people who make up the Christian left. These are people who call themselves Christians, yet don't hold the Bible to represent Absolute Truth.

This liberal group that President Obama is part of, focuses on a social Gospel, things like world hunger, AIDs in Africa, and climate issues to name a few. These are noble causes Christians need to be involved in, but you can't just ignore issues like abortion and marriage like they don't exist. Most in the Christian left are a byproduct of this seeker/purpose driven/emerging church/liberal mainline denomination generation that lays down the absolutes of the Bible to attract warm bodies. It has flourished due to the gutless pastors who refuse to lead and preach a watered down, feel good, ear tickling message void of hard Truth so nobody is offended.

The nation has had Presidents before who were no friend of God and we didn't crumble spiritually. That is because there was still a vibrant remnant of true followers of Christ. Today, we have the better percentage of two full generations who have never been to church. So many churches today do little or no evangelism. Over the past 40 years, that remnant of true followers has dwindled down considerably as older saints have gone to be with the Lord and haven't been replaced.

The effect of Obama's election is that it will empower those who oppose the work of God. Those who serve satan will be bolder and more aggressive than ever. They will be targeting like never before, true followers of Christ. Spiritual crack dealers like Oprah who peddle New Age garbage are ok. Those who promote cults like Mormonism, the JWs, Scientology, Kaballah, and others are ok. The false religions like Islam, Buddhists, and others are ok. Those in the Christian left with their social agenda are ok.

Their target will be zeroed in on those who believe, preach, and teach the Bible is God's inspired, inerrant Word, representing Absolute Truth and our final authority in all matters. They will be out to destroy true followers of Jesus Christ. This will come in many forms, such as laws to call the Bible hate speech as other countries have already done. For the first time, real and tangible persecution is going to be felt by those who refuse to compromise the Truth of the Bible and preach the Gospel.

The end result is that people are no longer going to be able to stand in the middle. The election of President Barack Hussein Obama is going to finally force people to take a stand. You are either a follower of Christ, which means you are also a follower of His Word, or you are not. Jesus said you can't serve two masters. Elijah told the people on Mt. Carmel to CHOOSE who you will serve. My friend, it is now time to choose. If you going to follow Jesus, it is time to act!

I love you and care about you so much. I realize that very few can "hear" what I am saying today. They woke up in their bed this morning and it seems like just another day. I can empathize with the frustration of the Old Testament prophets as they warned the people of God's coming wrath and most of the people simply ignored them or wrote them off as kooks. Yesterday, God's hand came off this nation. True followers of Jesus Christ no longer have the luxury of sitting back and doing nothing. Silence is not an option any more. We must take our stand now, or we will no longer have that opportunity. We have the only true answer for this nation and for the souls of men. It is time to boldly and without shame or compromise declare that answer!

As I was praying over all of this the other night, before going to sleep I was flipping through the stations and I stopped at TBN. On the eve of the election, with the spiritual course of our nation hanging in the balance, I expected to see true men of God preaching great messages of repentance and a turning back to God. Sadly, these people are as lost as the sons of Eli or Samuel. What were they doing? Having a telethon, raising money by promising people if they sent them money all of their financial problems would be solved. It was like watching the fiddler play while Rome burned !

For those who have been following Liveprayer, you know in the Spring God gave me a vision for this nation. In July, I launched the Jonah Project. The Lord gave me this vision and the Holy Spirit guided me to set up this vehicle for exactly where we are at today. The Jonah Project is the plan from God to bring together the true followers of Christ at this moment in human history, to call this nation to repentance, to turn back to God and Biblical Truth, and to help lead the lost to faith in Jesus Christ while taking a bold and visible stand on the social issues of our day.

Let me encourage you today to become part of the Jonah Project. You can go to the Jonah Project homepage at http://www.liveprayer.com/jonah/ , watch the vision video, and sign up to be part of this great last days move of God. My friend, this is the only hope for our nation and for each soul. There is only one answer, JESUS!!!

In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ, Bill Keller


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This is the plain truth and the election of this heretic is going to bring terrible consequences to this country. The sad part is that a large part of the American people are now deserving of it.
1 posted on 11/05/2008 2:38:05 AM PST by DarthVader
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To: DarthVader

I don’t blame him.


2 posted on 11/05/2008 2:39:09 AM PST by Def Conservative (Don't let the MSM turn Obama into the next JFK...start destroying his legacy NOW!)
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To: DarthVader

not only did God remove his hand, he planted a few IEDs for the Democrats to have fun with.


3 posted on 11/05/2008 2:40:12 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: DarthVader

bookmark


4 posted on 11/05/2008 2:41:59 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Def Conservative

Our stupid countryman will look fondly on the times we are in when the full impact of this mess hits and I don’t think we are talking years.


5 posted on 11/05/2008 2:43:46 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

This is one of the IEDs:

Psalm 50
The Acceptable SacrificeA Psalm of Asaph.
1The mighty one, God the Lord,
speaks and summons the earth
from the rising of the sun to its setting.
2Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty,
God shines forth.

3Our God comes and does not keep silence,
before him is a devouring fire,
and a mighty tempest all around him.
4He calls to the heavens above
and to the earth, that he may judge his people:
5‘Gather to me my faithful ones,
who made a covenant with me by sacrifice!’
6The heavens declare his righteousness,
for God himself is judge.
Selah

7‘Hear, O my people, and I will speak,
O Israel, I will testify against you.
I am God, your God.
8Not for your sacrifices do I rebuke you;
your burnt-offerings are continually before me.
9I will not accept a bull from your house,
or goats from your folds.
10For every wild animal of the forest is mine,
the cattle on a thousand hills.
11I know all the birds of the air,*
and all that moves in the field is mine.

12‘If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world and all that is in it is mine.
13Do I eat the flesh of bulls,
or drink the blood of goats?
14Offer to God a sacrifice of thanksgiving,*
and pay your vows to the Most High.
15Call on me in the day of trouble;
I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.’

16But to the wicked God says:
‘What right have you to recite my statutes,
or take my covenant on your lips?
17For you hate discipline,
and you cast my words behind you.
18You make friends with a thief when you see one,
and you keep company with adulterers.

19‘You give your mouth free rein for evil,
and your tongue frames deceit.
20You sit and speak against your kin;
you slander your own mother’s child.
21These things you have done and I have been silent;
you thought that I was one just like yourself.
But now I rebuke you, and lay the charge before you.

22‘Mark this, then, you who forget God,
or I will tear you apart, and there will be no one to deliver.
23Those who bring thanksgiving as their sacrifice honour me;
to those who go the right way*
I will show the salvation of God.’


6 posted on 11/05/2008 2:46:09 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader
"The sad part is that a large part of the American people are now deserving of it."

I thank God that I was able to live in the greatest country the world had ever seen.
Most of my life is history, but I'm certain I will live to see the end of the USA.

7 posted on 11/05/2008 2:48:35 AM PST by trickyricky
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To: DarthVader
Chill out. God does not leave us we leave Him.

Buck up y'all. We kicked arse big time on the marriage amendments in CA (YES WE ARE LEADING BY 4 PTS F the press), ARIZONA CRUSHED, and FLORIDA AWESOME!!!!

Even the adoption initiative passed in Arkansas. checkout PROP 8 for CA at http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm SEN STEVENS WON AK
CONG YOUNG WON AK
SEN COLEMAN WON AK
SEN SMITH WON AK
Obummer is full of manure - as expected on CUE he is whining like a good marxist that it is going to take years to fix whatever..what whimp...whiner makes a fine dem...
8 posted on 11/05/2008 2:51:26 AM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and OBAMA IS A MARXIST)
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To: Fred
The new SCOTUS will heave all of this. They are pyrrhic victories at best.
9 posted on 11/05/2008 2:53:10 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

for later reading.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 2:57:38 AM PST by Little_shoe ("For Sailor MEN in Battle fair since fighting days of old have earned the right.to the blue and gold)
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To: DarthVader

I know alot of people just see this as a bad choice of President, but for the first time in my life, I am afraid of my government.

Two words kept ringing in my ears last night as I dosed off, “civilian force” and the black panther guy was in my mind. I don’t mean race, I mean that behavior.

I feel like Germany must have felt right after Hitler got in. But at least Germany wasn’t so stupid to vote Hitler in with over half the vote.


11 posted on 11/05/2008 2:59:17 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: DarthVader

You are starting to sound like Obama a big whiner ...’it is just going to be so hard...come on everybody give me a break this is really hard’


12 posted on 11/05/2008 3:01:42 AM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and OBAMA IS A whiny MARXIST)
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To: DarthVader

I pray. Lord Jesus, come quickly. Your children have gone astray.


13 posted on 11/05/2008 3:02:00 AM PST by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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To: autumnraine

This guy is not going to have time to do these things. The Perfect Storm is about to hit this country and Bambi & his vermin will fail miserably to meet the challenges. Just think of Katrina on a near national level.


14 posted on 11/05/2008 3:02:55 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

Once America abandons Israel to the world socialists, America will join the rest of the nations in being weak and beggerly and poor and stupid. And the democrats and conservatives will mourn together.


15 posted on 11/05/2008 3:03:08 AM PST by kindred (Known unto God are all His works from the beginning. Jesus is Christ and Saviour .)
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To: DarthVader

Bingo.


16 posted on 11/05/2008 3:03:12 AM PST by hershey
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To: autumnraine
Read “Atlas Shrugged” for a perspective on what is happening.

I promise you to the bottom of my heart while reading that book on Monday I had an epiphany that Obama would win and that we as conservatives are done. The path is laid out there that we will take, the only hope we have is to prepare for the coming storm the likes of which will rival Bolshevik Russia under Stalin.

17 posted on 11/05/2008 3:03:35 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Fred

I’m telling the truth and things are this urgent. You may need to repent and get your life straight with God because judgment is coming to everyone in this nation.


18 posted on 11/05/2008 3:05:36 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

Do you feel that too?

Folks are saying this morning that God removed his hand from us and it feels that way. For the first time since this country began, this country rejected God. And not just because I don’t like Obama, but because they let their own ego get in the way of rational thought.


19 posted on 11/05/2008 3:06:14 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: DarthVader

Well, if the markets tanked at the thought of Obama, what are they going to do with him in? Everyone in Europe that was squealing for Obama will be yanking their money out of our markets as fast as you can say Capital Gains.


20 posted on 11/05/2008 3:07:51 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: SoftballMominVA

The economy is the first thing to go. We are going from a recession into a depression. Read Ezekiel 7.


21 posted on 11/05/2008 3:08:23 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

Read Atlas Shrugged for a clue on how the economy will be destroyed.


22 posted on 11/05/2008 3:09:13 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: autumnraine

Yes I do. Send me your email address via Freepmail and I’ll send you something very interesting.


23 posted on 11/05/2008 3:10:21 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader
God Removes His Hand from the United States

I think it was just the opposite, we just got spanked.....

24 posted on 11/05/2008 3:15:05 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Spreading manure around helps growth. Spreading wealth around creates manure)
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To: Hot Tabasco

We did just get spanked. But more than that, If we really believe the bible, it tells us that we’re going to end with socialism and a government that controlls everything. If we claim to believe it, we have to recognize where we are.


25 posted on 11/05/2008 3:18:11 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: Fred
Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD your God with ALL your heart and ALL your SOUL and in ALL your ways acknowledge him.

This is not the end of the world people, and neither is it the end of the USA.

Freedom is not free, and no one is taking it away from me.

Psm 23:1 The LORD is my Shepherd, I shall not want.

26 posted on 11/05/2008 3:19:07 AM PST by BornToBeAmerican (Sarah: I'm not going to just go along to get along.)
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To: DarthVader

It already is straight with my Savior. As the Lord told us, He will come like thief in the night. As if some lame utterly immature power mad sinner is going to come between me and my Lord....


27 posted on 11/05/2008 3:21:46 AM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and OBAMA IS A whiny MARXIST)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The spanking has yet to begin.


28 posted on 11/05/2008 3:22:11 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican
And note where the victories were tonight for the believer

All 3 marriage amendments won CA , AZ, FL. No adoption for gays in AR, just kicked arse.. This is the trend.
29 posted on 11/05/2008 3:23:52 AM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and OBAMA IS A whiny MARXIST)
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To: DarthVader

I think you’re pretty close to right. But we have to agree that it’s allready written. It is what was foretold and laid out at the beginning of time. And our hope is in what God has in store for those that trust in him. The perspective is this “will it matter in 10,000 years?” If not then we don’t sweat it.....


30 posted on 11/05/2008 3:25:23 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: BigCinBigD
Our Lord Jesus is here. He has never left the scene.

'Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.' Isaiah 41:10

31 posted on 11/05/2008 3:29:12 AM PST by ResistorSister (The Dems are being given enough rope to hang themselves.)
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To: Fred

Watch the Obama Supreme Court strike everyone of these laws down.


32 posted on 11/05/2008 3:30:37 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

Why don’t you look at it like the attack on Pearl Harbor? Yeah, the U.S. fleet was sunk there BUT the aircraft carriers were out at sea at the time and most of the sunken battleships were resurfaced and repaired. Yeah, it looked pretty bleak at the time but, well, you know the rest of the story.


33 posted on 11/05/2008 3:38:36 AM PST by PJ-Comix (FREE the Joe Biden raw video!!!)
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To: DarthVader

“God removes His hand from the United States”
that headline is nonsense. Humans have free will. Humans make choices. A majority of Americans have fallen for a lie and made some very bad choices. It’s up to humans to correct their error by writing letters and voting next time.


34 posted on 11/05/2008 3:38:42 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: DarthVader

“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.”

And this...

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

As we prayed over the election in our assembly, we could not help but acknowledge the failure of the church to be a faithful, active witness for the Lord. This, as much as anything else, contributed to last night’s results. And, while we know that “all things work together for good, for those who love God...” what is it He is after in the end? It is for His people to be conformed to the image of His Dear Son. So, whether it be by means of peaceful democracy, or through the vice of atheistic socialism, God’s plan for the life of the believer remains unchanged. It is to bring the child of God to the place in his life where all is laid on the altar of sacrifice, a shaking free of the snare brought on by attachment to this world is brought about, and a deeper walk of faith in Christ is achieved.


35 posted on 11/05/2008 3:41:08 AM PST by MarDav
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To: MarDav

“we could not help but acknowledge the failure of the church to be a faithful, active witness for the Lord.”

Bingo! You are dead on!


36 posted on 11/05/2008 3:42:59 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

So why have your prayers remained unanswered?


37 posted on 11/05/2008 3:48:43 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: DarthVader

In this age of grace, we know God disciplines His children whom He loves and also manifests grace to those not yet His.

I agree with you that if the US forsakes Israel, we shall likely endure His wrath.

For the last 2 centuries, the US has been fortunate by His hand to have acted as a client nation to the world. Those nations which in the past have left Him from a client nation status not only rarely return to Him, but wallow in depravity.

These include N.Africa, Holland, Britain, and Germany.

Americans have enjoyed His grace, mercy, and the wealth of His blessings, but perhaps another lesson is available here. Those who worked so hard so that their children might have more, have succeeded, although without faith in God through Christ, those with more degenerate in character to less stature than the worldly poor with faith in Christ.

If the US curses Israel, expect calamities such as cataclysmic disaster to show the degenerate that He is truly God. If those who reject Him, whom He loves, fail to return to Him on His terms, He historically is known to discipline again some 7 times more severely, and again by another seven times, if not obeyed again.

There are many perishing, who have enjoyed His blessings, by having been associated with those whom He has loved and has blessed. Yet many of those foolishly associate those blessings as a natural consequence of their personal efforts independent of God. Many of them even hate and attack anything Holy and God Himself where they are able.

When those whom He loves are removed from their midst, those who are unrighteous will begin to feed upon themselves. When society begins to fail, the externalities of one system failing will propagate among many.

When Israel split and removed herself from Him, He disciplined her, and when her kings continued to work independent of Him, He allowed her enemies to invade her, split Israel up and disperse Israel into slavery.

Ironically, if this nation continues to rebel from Him, after His discipline, it may suffer loss of freedom, even to the point that some who blame their welfare woes upon slavery from many generations ago, might find themselves physically removed from this nation and subjected to slavery again by our enemies.

Pray without ceasing and let’s pray for our leaders, that more than anything they return to God through faith in Christ. No matter what cursing might occur, thank you Lord, for His Will is just and by remaining in Him in all things He shall provide for us.

Also pray that if this nation refuses to hear Him and obey Him, that we might be placed in a time and place where he chooses to use us best.

There are many, south of our borders, who may be more receptive of the Gospel than in our own country. May God richly bless those who bless Him and curse those who curse Him.


38 posted on 11/05/2008 3:50:28 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: DarthVader
Speaking of Ezekiel, we know that one of the first things Obama will do after he is inaugurated is remove American support from Israel and abandon her to the demonic Islamic nations that, in fulfillment of Psalm 83:

Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace , and be not still , O God.

* For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

* They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

* They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

* For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee..

have vowed to wipe Israel off the map. I have read that if Obama were elected, Israel would use the waning days of a supportive administration to try to take out some of Iran's nuclear facilities and it occurred to me that if that happens, and after Obama is safely ensconced in the White House, and the Islamic fanatics know that they have nothing to fear from America, the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38 and 39 would take place.

At any rate, just as 9/11/2001 was a momentous moment in prophecy as far as America's role in end-time events, I believe Obama's "presidency" will weaken this nation to the point where, as we know, America does not merit a mention in Scripture as a player on the world stage during this time.

After I heard that Obama had won, my first thought was one of surprising clarity; I knew that from this point on it would be about my and my family's relationship with God, our dependence on Him, and nothing else. Things are moving forward at an alarming rate; all man-created political and social systems will fail, Bible prophecy will happen just as written, and, in the end, it will be, just as God has always said, what you have done with Jesus that will be the only thing that matters.

39 posted on 11/05/2008 3:51:56 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: autumnraine; DarthVader

Both of you stop it right now. Stop whining. Despairing of the Lord our God is a grave sin. He chooses when, where, who and how. Don’t you dare feel that He has left. We have been Godless for years. Have you watched television? You know about Planned Parenthood. Have you read when our Lord Jesus Christ forbid divorce? This has been a profligate nation for a long time. It did not happen over night. Our job is not to despair. Our job is to pray. Live in accordance with His laws. Find it within ourselves to give witness. I went to Rome and I visited the catacombs. People who fled to underground chambers to worship their Lord, to bury their dead, to hide from egregious persecution. The state persecuted them. They did not whine. They fought back, and they argued their case, ultimately successfully, for their right to be Christian.

They dwell on earth, but are citizens of heaven
“They live in their own countries and are strangers. They loyally fulfil their duties as citizens, but are treated as foreigners. Every foreign land is for them a fatherland and every fatherland, foreign.

They marry like everyone, they have children, but they do not abandon their new-born. They have the table in common, but not the bed. They are in the flesh, but do not live according to the flesh (2 Cor 10,3; Rom 8, 12-15). They dwell on earth, but are citizens of heaven.

They obey the laws of the state, but in their lives they go beyond the law. They love everyone, yet are persecuted by everyone. No one really knows them, but all condemn them. They are killed, but go on living. They are poor, but enrich many (2 Cor 6,9-10). They have nothing, but abound in everything. but in that contempt they find glory before God. Their honour is insulted, while their justice is acknowledged.

When they are cursed, they bless. When they are insulted, they answer with kind words

(1 Cor 4,12-13). They do good to others and are punished like evil-doers. When they are punished, they rejoice, as if they were given life. The Jews make war against them as if they were a foreign race. The Greek persecute them, but those who hate them , cannot tell the reason for their hatred”.

From a letter by an unknown Christian to Diogenetus, second century Rome.

Be not afraid. Dwell on earth, but be citizens of heaven. V’s wife.


40 posted on 11/05/2008 3:57:58 AM PST by ventana
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“After I heard that Obama had won, my first thought was one of surprising clarity; I knew that from this point on it would be about my and my family’s relationship with God, our dependence on Him, and nothing else.”

This had been governing my thoughts more during the lead-up to the election. In fact, as I grew more and more hopeful of a McCain-Palin victory, it struck me how that I have never found anything appealing about John McCain. I cringed when he was nominated and, until the choice of Sarah Palin, I had no desire to vote for him. As my spirit trembled within me at the thought of an Obama presidency, my “flesh” compelled me to generate enthusiasm for a...man. How foolish of me. How worldly. How carnal.

Why art thou downcast, O my soul, and why art thou disquieted within me? Hope, thou, in God!


41 posted on 11/05/2008 3:58:10 AM PST by MarDav
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To: ventana
When they are cursed, they bless. When they are insulted, they answer with kind words

A foriegn concept to most self proclaimed christians today.

42 posted on 11/05/2008 4:01:15 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: Cvengr
I agree with you that if the US forsakes Israel, we shall likely endure His wrath.

It's already written that every nation will be aginst Israel. What we don't know is when.

43 posted on 11/05/2008 4:02:57 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: DarthVader

I was thinking of the scripture too...

Yes this will happen, but if the remnant who still love God and this country pray we can take this country back.


44 posted on 11/05/2008 4:04:13 AM PST by DocT111
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To: DarthVader

And in the homes of Pelosi and Reid it’s christmas morning - the black messiah has been born.


45 posted on 11/05/2008 4:12:58 AM PST by TPOOH (I wish I could have been Jerry Reed.)
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To: DarthVader

I’ve got no use for a God like that.


46 posted on 11/05/2008 4:14:54 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: DarthVader
Please. We foolishly put W in office for 4 more years. If God did anything he slapped us on the back of the head and said quit that. W RUINED the party and conservative chances for the next 12 years. We put him there and we deserve it. When 75% of those polled think the country is on the wrong path do you think they will elect another person seen as Bush? NO. McCain was a stupid choice and once again a smack on the head from God. BTW I think any Rep would of lost.
47 posted on 11/05/2008 4:20:34 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: DarthVader

You are absolutely killin me.

How pray tell is the current supreme court a whiney Obummer court????

The judges obummer replaces will be the libs - so the ratio will not change unless one of ours croaks...


48 posted on 11/05/2008 4:27:52 AM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and OBAMA IS A whiny MARXIST)
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To: Fred
This is the best news of the am. Thank you. I need some bucking up. At this moment, I despise everyone (including famly members) who voted for this evil man.

I even have prolife family members that probably voted for him.

I probably pity them more than the ones who claim to be "pro-choice".

49 posted on 11/05/2008 4:28:25 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: DarthVader

We deserve what we get but, the Bible foretells our plight.


50 posted on 11/05/2008 4:28:54 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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