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Rature Ready ^ | 11/10/2008 | Todd Strandberg

Posted on 11/11/2008 2:19:09 PM PST by WhatNot

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To: diamond6
Daniel 9:26 connects the Romans (Europe) with the anti-Christ:

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

This passage seems to prophesy of what were then near-term events and also still-future (for us) events. The "people of the prince that shall come" were the Romans because they were the ones that destroyed the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

Now at the time, the Roman Empire encompassed western and central Europe, the Balkans, North Africa and the Middle East. Possible "Islamization" of Europe can indeed make a revived Roman Empire in such form a reality, though dominated by Islam.

Another thing to remember is that, "the people of the prince that shall come" colonized the western hemisphere, Australia and New Zealand, and are the dominant population in those countries. Thus, the "prince that shall come" could in fact be from the United States. Barack Obama had a white (European) mother so the possibility is there that he is the anti-christ. I personally don't believe he is, and I figure the anti-christ will be someone no one would expect.

Having said that, Obama rose to the national state quite quickly and seems to be worshiped by many. Obviously, his candidacy was helped along by the media, and people fell for it. It is reminiscent of idolatry in that people put their faith in a mere man to fix their economic, political and social problems, something the anti-christ will claim to be able to do. But the difference seems to be that the anti-christ will not need media worship to come to power (though he'd likely benefit from it, nonetheless).
21 posted on 11/12/2008 8:51:11 AM PST by railroader
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To: WhatNot

I commend you on your balanced tone. I would like to point out however that Rome was not the last vestige of the Roman Empire but rather Byzantium. That would put the center of a new ten toed kingdom in Turkey. Just where the Selucid Empire existed before. AND interestingly enough there is a people group there: The Kurds. A new nation is soon to be born and a leader shall arise. Then ten kings will join him. And they will destroy the greatest city of all time “in one hour’.

Obama looks like the False Prophet to me. Dead Ringer.

http://www.biblestudying.net/index.html

And just an aside: There is no ‘rapture’. There IS a resurrection.

http://www.answersinrevelation.org/


22 posted on 11/12/2008 9:04:29 AM PST by gost2
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To: WhatNot

Outdated and disproved scholarship. See my post above and check out the link. Believe me its worth it.


23 posted on 11/12/2008 9:11:24 AM PST by gost2
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To: gost2

Thanks for the links, but can you explain how Byzantium being the last vestige of the Roman Empire, negates Rome itself from being revived?


24 posted on 11/12/2008 9:20:39 AM PST by WhatNot (Time on your hands? Put them together in prayer!)
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To: madison10

Killing God’s innocent children put Israel under a curse, remember? Now we’re under the same curse. Read Ezekiel 5.


25 posted on 11/12/2008 9:39:50 AM PST by Campion
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To: WhatNot

Of all the great kingdoms or peoples in Daniel’s vision all were swept away by history itself. Not the sword. Only one, the next to last, can qualify for being wounded unto death by the sword. That is the final Roman Empire which was seated in Byzantium. It is this kingdom that will make a come-back. It is not the antichrist that is wounded by a sword. No man is wounded. Look at the symbolism. Carefully.

Here is a link from within the first link I gave you. You will see symbolism at the top of the page. Start there and work your way through the study of Revelations. You will clearly see that Dallas Theological Cemetery got it very wrong. Provably wrong and that Hal and his friends have been spreading half baked misinterpretations all these years. Only the Bible can interpret the Bible. A symbol can have only one true meaning not switch back and forth between differing meanings.

http://www.biblestudying.net/studies.html#endtimes


26 posted on 11/12/2008 2:47:19 PM PST by gost2
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To: gost2
Babylon would establish itself as the first world empire
(Dan 2:38;7:17)
Medo-Persia would defeat Babylon and establish itself as the second world empire
(Dan 2:39;7:17;8:20)
Greece would defeat Medo-Persia and establish itself as the third world empire.
(Dan 2:39;7:17; 8:21)
Rome would defeat Greece and establish itself as the fourth world empire.
(Dan 2:40-43; 7:17)

These are military campaigns.

As far as Antichrist being wounded, one of his heads may stand for a specific ruler or it may stand for an empire.
However the events unfold, the unbelieveing world is enticed (Rev 12:9)by Satan to follow and worship the beast.
Those who worship the beast also unwittingly worship the devil, who gave authority to the beast. The Antichrist will likely be Jewish because the Jews will not receive a Gentile as their promised Messiah.
Jesus predicted that Israel will someday foolishly receive the Antichrist as their saviour.
"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive"(John 5:43).

The Bible does hint that the Antichrist might have a Jewish background.
In Dan 11:37 it says "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers." Although the verse could mean any deity, the wording strongly matches Jewish heritage of faith in God.

27 posted on 11/12/2008 3:51:12 PM PST by WhatNot (Time on your hands? Put them together in prayer!)
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To: WhatNot

This is cheating but if it wets your whistle enough to go back and read the whole thing my work is done.

From that link:

From “Prophetic Symbols: Revelation 13 (part 3)

1. A series of unfolding historic empires can be represented collectively using a single, symbolic entity (such as the statue of Daniel 2 or the seven-headed beast of Revelation 13.)
2. The phrases “out of the earth” and “out of the sea” are used interchangeably by Daniel and, therefore, no great significance should be attached in the effort to distinguish between them.
3. Daniel 2, 7, and 8 as well as Revelation 13 all depict the same succession of empires starting with Babylon, then Media-Persia, then Greece, then Rome (along with another nation represented by the clay), and finally the coming of the kingdom of God, when the saints possess the kingdom.
4. While Daniel 7 depicts the kingdoms of gold, silver, brass, and iron from Daniel 2 as four beasts but does not depict a beast representing the kingdom of clay, Revelation 13:11 finally depicts a beast, which corresponds to the kingdom of clay.
5. Something of the Roman kingdom exists in two time periods, the time period of the legs before the clay is introduced into the statue and in the time of the feet and toes after the clay is introduced into the statue. Likewise, Revelation 13 depicts the restoration of a former head that was defeated by war to exist side by side with a second beast. This coexistence of a former empire with a new empire is identical to the coexistence of the iron and the clay in the feet of Daniel 2’s statue.
6. Beasts represent two items, both kings and their kingdoms.
7. Although the second beast of Revelation 13 does represent the single human figure known as the False Prophet, because the biblical precedent for the symbol of a beast never depicts just a king or ruler but the king and the kingdom he rules, we must understand from the second beast of Revelation 13 that the False Prophet is himself a ruler over a kingdom or empire in the same way that the kings of Daniel 7 and 8 were rulers over actual geo-political kingdoms.
8. Horns also represent kings and, unless specified by the text, horns represent contemporary kings, not a succession or line of kings.
9. Although horns represent kingdoms that arise out of an empire that precedes them, the kingdoms represented by those horns do NOT have to be situated geographically in the same region as the preceding empire. The kingdoms represented by the horns can migrate significantly away from the geographic location of their imperial predecessor.
10. A beast with multiple heads represents an overarching political entity and the political powers that come from it, as was the case with the four-headed leopard of Greece and the seven-headed first beast of Revelation 13.
11. Angelic princes rule over the kingdoms of men, and specifically over the empires described in Daniel 2, 7, and 8.
12. The “prince of the people” who “destroyed the city and the sanctuary” is NOT the Antichrist, but the angelic prince who ruled over the Roman Empire.
13. Putting all of this together we can see that Daniel’s writings recorded and anticipated a succession of the following empires: Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome, another yet unknown represented by the clay and the second beast of Revelation 13, and finally a Jewish empire or kingdom ruled over by Jesus Christ the Jewish Messiah, the Prince of princes.


28 posted on 11/12/2008 4:02:14 PM PST by gost2
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To: WhatNot

Specific rulers are horns.


29 posted on 11/12/2008 4:15:59 PM PST by gost2
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To: WhatNot

Our country may not abandon Israel, but our government under the Marxist in Chief might. There’s a difference between country and government.


30 posted on 11/12/2008 4:17:06 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Not only will we abandon Israel but we will join with those who attempt to destroy her. I can’t say for sure but it begins to look more and more as though we are the kingdom of clay poorly mixed with the iron in the toes of Daniel’s image. The kingdom of the False Prophet.


31 posted on 11/12/2008 4:26:46 PM PST by gost2
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To: gost2
Ok brother, I have always believed that a mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. I'll walk through the doors God opens, and check it out. But for now, lets go out in to the world with are newly wet whistles, and get His Word out, because no matter how it happens "Rapture or Resurrection", "Wounded man or wounded Empire"
There's at least one more person out there who needs to hear the truth about Jesus, and it's our duty and our honor to take that truth to them

May the Lord richly bless you and yours,

32 posted on 11/12/2008 4:28:56 PM PST by WhatNot (Time on your hands? Put them together in prayer!)
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To: WhatNot

Thank you and back at ya.

You don’t have to go looking for them. God will send them right to you. They will be found camping on your doorstep although not very often and not in great numbers in these days.


33 posted on 11/12/2008 4:35:49 PM PST by gost2
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To: gost2
They will be found camping on your doorstep

Amen

34 posted on 11/12/2008 5:10:55 PM PST by WhatNot (Time on your hands? Put them together in prayer!)
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