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AmP Poll: Was SC priest right to suggest confession for Obama voters? [Catholic Caucus]
American Papist ^ | November 13, 2008 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 11/14/2008 9:52:50 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 11/14/2008 9:52:50 AM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Yes.


2 posted on 11/14/2008 9:53:15 AM PST by madison10
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Poll ping!


3 posted on 11/14/2008 9:53:18 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Absolutely yes!


4 posted on 11/14/2008 9:54:36 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

This guy has more courage than all the bishops put together.

My answer is YES!


5 posted on 11/14/2008 9:55:42 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no such thing as a good tax." Winston Churchill)
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To: NYer

Yes does not express how absolutely correct this priest was.


6 posted on 11/14/2008 9:59:15 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah 2012!)
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To: NYer
Fr. Newman seems to be arguing that an Obama vote in this case is wrong not because it representes formal cooperation, but because it is a case of material cooperation (because their vote helped elect him)

And Father Newman is right and the author is wrong in his objection. Obama's longstanding promise to sign FOCA and his promises for federal funding of abortion are not secrets. The bishops made their positions perfectly clear. You can't vote for the man who you know plans to sign FOCA just becuase you support universal health care, or any other of his positions, and at the same time divorce yourself from the consequences of the candidates support for FOCA. If FOCA passes those so called Catholics who voted for Obama are as guilty of the consequences as Obama is himself. Their vote is the very essence of material cooperation with an intrinsic evil!

7 posted on 11/14/2008 10:01:40 AM PST by pgkdan ( All Catholics should know supporting Obama constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil.)
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This author may have a valid point about whether or not one person or the other actually incurs a mortally damning sin on his soul. But it has to be remembered too that for whatever reason someone under his authority did not realize that this is cooperating with evil, he himself is under the authority of Church and holy scripture to tell his brother of their sin and it’s consequence.

And this is where I become incredulous-how would anyone be deceived or uninformed about his Catholic teaching on the matter of life, and how could anyone living in this age not be informed about the baby killer Barak Obama?


8 posted on 11/14/2008 10:04:49 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: mockingbyrd

Only 67.2% agreed...


9 posted on 11/14/2008 10:06:33 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: SaintDismas

his=priest in question


10 posted on 11/14/2008 10:07:05 AM PST by SaintDismas
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I don’t understand how Catholics could be misinformed. I was in 7th grade at St. Mary’s in Richland Center when Roe v Wade passed. Sister Rita laid everything out in clear terms for us, even addressing the “life of the mother” argument. I’ve never had a question in my mind since then that abortion is evil and an abomination.


11 posted on 11/14/2008 10:07:47 AM PST by knittnmom (FReeper formerly known as 80 Square Miles)
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I don’t understand how Catholics could be misinformed. I was in 7th grade at St. Mary’s in Richland Center when Roe v Wade passed. Sister Rita laid everything out in clear terms for us, even addressing the “life of the mother” argument. I’ve never had a question in my mind since then that abortion is evil and an abomination.

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They can't be misinformed. They are willfully going against Church teachings.

12 posted on 11/14/2008 10:13:27 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I think the bishops deliberately misinformed many.

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13 posted on 11/14/2008 10:18:28 AM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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I think the bishops deliberately misinformed many.

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Yes, but how many Catholics "shopped around" until they found a bishop whose teachings reflected their own incorrect beliefs?

14 posted on 11/14/2008 10:21:29 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

Suppose we had a candidate who ran on a platform wherein he intended to by Executive order, legislation by his party or trying to change the constitution called for the re-institution of slavery. Would it be wrong to vote for this person even though other aspects of his agenda were acceptable? I think not.


16 posted on 11/14/2008 10:27:23 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: Ransomed
How many folks spent their entire lives under one crappy bishop and never considered shopping around for different teaching?

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I don't know, but they don't have an excuse, either.

17 posted on 11/14/2008 10:27:33 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Ransomed

Do not use potty language on the Religion Forum.


18 posted on 11/14/2008 10:28:58 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: NYer

Yes. Wish the rest of the RC hierarchy would do the same.


19 posted on 11/14/2008 10:30:28 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Many Bishops left the election issues very vague. IMO they do this at their own peril.

They were clear on abortion and life but they were completely vague and ambiguous when it came to other issues and where the priority should have been.

My parish Priest is very strong on the Life issue and I sent him some articles post election and expressed my point of view. I haven’t gotten any response lol. Of course maybe some Obamite office workder filters the email and deleted it.


20 posted on 11/14/2008 10:35:45 AM PST by rbmillerjr (2012: A GOP Conservative or I'm out)
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