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IN BRUSH WITH DEATH, PRIEST SHOWN HELL, PURGATORY, DEGREES OF SUFFERING
Lenten Reflections ^ | October 30, 2008

Posted on 11/22/2008 3:17:34 PM PST by NYer


Set out below is an account of the experience of a priest who died and was shown Hell, Purgatory and Heaven. It is of course only his personal experience but there is nothing in it which is contrary to faith and I trust that some of you might find, as I did, that it was a warning and an encouragement.

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On Sunday April 14, 1985, the Feast of the Divine Mercy, Fr Tom Maniyangat was going to celebrate Mass at a mission church in the north part of Kerala, and he had a fatal accident. He had a head on collision with a jeep. He was rushed to a hospital about 35 miles away but he died on the way.
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Fr Tom's soul left his body and he experienced death. He saw his body and the people who were carrying him to the hospital. He heard them crying and praying for him.He then met his Guardian angel. His angel said to him: "I am going to take you to Heaven, the Lord wants to meet you and talk with you." He also said that as part of that journey he wanted to show Fr Tom hell and purgatory.
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This is how Fr Tom describes his visit to Hell and Purgatory Hell"First, the angel escorted me to hell. It was an awful sight! I saw Satan and the devils, an unquenchable fire ,worms crawling, people screaming and fighting, others being tortured by demons. I was told there are seven "degrees" or levels of suffering in the netherworld. Those who committed "mortal sin after mortal sin" in life were suffering the most intense heat. They had bodies and looked very ugly, so cruel and ugly, horrifying. They were human but like monsters: fearful, ugly-looking things. The angel told me that all these sufferings were due to unrepented mortal sins.Then, I understood that there are seven degrees of suffering or levels according to the number and kinds of mortal sins committed in their earthly lives. The souls looked very ugly, cruel and horrific. It was a fearful experience. I saw people whom I knew but I am not allowed to reveal their identities. The sins that convicted them were mainly abortion, homosexuality, sins of the flesh, euthanasia, hatefulness, lack of forgiveness and sacrilege.
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The angel told me that if they had repented they would have avoided hell and gone instead to purgatory. I also understood that some people who repent from these sins might be purified on earth through their sufferings. This way they can avoid purgatory and go straight to heaven. I was surprised when I saw in hell even Priests and Bishops, some of whom I never expected to see. Many of them were there because they had misled the people with false teaching and bad example.
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After the visit to hell, my Guardian angel escorted me to Purgatory. Here too, there are seven degrees of suffering and unquenchable fire. But it is far less intense than hell and there was neither quarreling nor fighting. The main suffering of these souls is their separation from God. Some of those who are in Purgatory committed numerous mortal sins; but they were reconciled with God before their death. Even though these souls are suffering, they enjoy peace and the knowledge that one day they will see God face to face.I had a chance to communicate with the souls in Purgatory. They asked me to pray for them and to tell the people to pray for them as well, so they can go to heaven quickly.
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When we pray for these souls we will receive their gratitude through their prayers and once they enter heaven their prayers become even more meritorious.
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Next, my angel escorted me to heaven passing through a big dazzling white tunnel. I never experienced this much peace and joy in my life. Then immediately the heaven opened up and I heard the most delightful music, which I never heard before. The angels were singing and praising God. I saw all the saints, especially the Blessed Mother and St. Joseph, and many dedicated holy Bishops and Priests who were shining like stars.
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And when I appeared before the Lord, Jesus told me: "I want you to go back to the world. In your second life you will be an instrument of peace and healing to my people. You will walk in a foreign land and you will speak in a foreign tongue. Everything is possible for you with my grace." After these words, the Blessed Mother told me, "Do whatever He tells you. [John 2:5] I will help you in your ministries."Words can not express the beauty of heaven. There we find so much peace and happiness, which exceed a million times our imagination.
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Our Lord is far more beautiful than any image can convey. His face is radiant and luminous and more beautiful than a thousand rising suns. The pictures we see in the world are only a shadow of His magnificence. The Blessed Mother was next to Jesus; she was so beautiful and radiant. None of the images we see in this world can compare with her real beauty. Heaven is our real home: we are all created to reach heaven and enjoy God forever.
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Back to Earth.
As they were moving my dead body to the morgue, my soul came back to the body. I felt an excruciating pain because of so many wounds and broken bones. I began to scream and then the people became frightened and ran away screaming.One of them approached the doctor and said: "The dead body is screaming." The doctor came to examine the body and found that I was alive. So he said: "Father is alive. It is a miracle - take him back to the hospital."


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1 posted on 11/22/2008 3:17:35 PM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

For your discernment, ping!


2 posted on 11/22/2008 3:18:55 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Satan is not in hell yet. He was referred by Christ as the “God of this world” and the “Prince and power of the air”. He is not cast into hell until the 2nd Advent of Christ.


3 posted on 11/22/2008 3:29:58 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: NYer

My favorite is Dante’s purgatorio.


4 posted on 11/22/2008 3:29:59 PM PST by Mercat (God doesn't call me to be successful. God calls me to be faithful. Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer
I also understood that some people who repent from these sins might be purified on earth through their sufferings.

For your discernment, ping!

There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. Romans 3:23-25

Suffering isn't needed to purify that which Christ's blood has already cleansed ... so I'm all through discerning now, thanks.

5 posted on 11/22/2008 3:32:35 PM PST by tx_eggman (I own two rare photos. Houdini as he locks his keys in his car and Norman Rockwell beating a child.)
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To: All
For Visitors to this thread

PURGATORY -

Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

PRAYING FOR THE SOULS IN PURGATORY -

Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. They can intercede on behalf of the people of God.

2 Macc. 15:12-16 – the high priest Onias and the prophet Jeremiah were deceased for centuries, and yet interact with the living Judas Maccabeas and pray for the holy people on earth.

Rev. 5:8 - the prayers of the saints (on heaven and earth) are presented to God by the angels and saints in heaven. This shows that the saints intercede on our behalf before God, and it also demonstrates that our prayers on earth are united with their prayers in heaven. (The “24 elders” are said to refer to the people of God – perhaps the 12 tribes and 12 apostles - and the “four living creatures” are said to refer to the angels.)


6 posted on 11/22/2008 3:32:37 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

I wonder if they play Iron Maiden in hell. If they do, it might not be so bad...

=D


7 posted on 11/22/2008 3:33:01 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: NYer

Many are called..Few are chosen.


8 posted on 11/22/2008 3:34:21 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: NYer
Why didn't he describe purgatory better. My vision of it is it's exactly like Detroit or Colombia SC with no chance of leaving.
9 posted on 11/22/2008 3:35:00 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Maybe because purgatory is a fabrication of the Catholic church and this is a bizarre hallucination.


10 posted on 11/22/2008 3:38:53 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: Crazieman; Hillarys Gate Cult
Maybe because purgatory is a fabrication of the Catholic church and this is a bizarre hallucination.

See post #6.

11 posted on 11/22/2008 3:44:44 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Crazieman

It’s not even an hallucination...it’s imagination...The same image he’s likely been preaching for years.


12 posted on 11/22/2008 3:48:34 PM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: All
[Funereal organ music plays]

DEATH
The Great Enigma

What happens when we die?
What is on the other side?

Now mankind has startling new evidence from people declared clinically "dead" who have returned to tell of their experience.

Their descriptions are so similar... so vivid... that they may change mankind's view of life, death and survival forever.

LIFE AFTER DEATH
a report from the other side


[ominous woodwind-sounding music builds]

Man: I can remember... the nurses... saying something about "code pink," and then clearly I remember... one of the doctors saying "he's gone." ...I couldn't understand how they could be so worried, when... I felt so happy to be outside of my body, and so peaceful. It was fabulous. Everything was bathed in a, an eerie white light... suddenly I found myself in a huge, white room... where I had to take a number and be seated.

Man 2: I must have died, because I recognized my body was rising up, like an elevator. And I was passing through these rounds of light, and time, and space, and all of a sudden I came to this area which was filled blindingly with light and energy and space... and I had to take a number and sit down.

Woman: I was flying down this... corridor, with this... blue light, and... um, I ended up in this room where I had to reach up, and take a number, and then sit down.



[a mechanical sign reads NOW SERVING 32. The digits turns over to read 33.]

13 posted on 11/22/2008 3:55:53 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: NYer
The sins that convicted them were mainly abortion, homosexuality, sins of the flesh, euthanasia, hatefulness, lack of forgiveness and sacrilege.

Sounds like the democrat party platform...

14 posted on 11/22/2008 4:03:41 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Alex Murphy

If it works there then it should work here. Next time I will not complain when the clerk tells me to “take a number”.


15 posted on 11/22/2008 5:26:14 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: All

Meanwhile...

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/22/video-the-obligatory-freaky-deaky-edmonton-meteor-clips/


16 posted on 11/22/2008 6:40:02 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: NYer

Bookmark for later reading.


17 posted on 11/22/2008 6:43:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: wastedyears
I wonder if they play Iron Maiden in hell.

'fraid not. A recent cartoon shows a client at a radio receiver in Hell, searching for stations. The devil behind him says "It's all smooth jazz." It'll be Kenny G for you, buddy!

18 posted on 11/22/2008 6:53:18 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: NYer
This account isn't much different than the others I've read over the years. The message is the same - keep your soul clean, take advantage of Penance and absolution, pray for the souls in Purgatory, etc. In the last six years, there's been a big difference in my life with this approach. I whole-heartedly recommend it.
19 posted on 11/22/2008 7:09:11 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: NYer

Apparently this website lists the rest of the story:

http://jopetsukisuki.multiply.com/journal/item/19/A_PRIEST_WHO_SAW_HEAVEN_HELL_AND_PURGATORY.._The_death_experience_of_Father_Jose_Maniyangat.._?&item_id=19&view:replies=threaded


20 posted on 11/22/2008 7:52:49 PM PST by bradthebuilder (War is peace; Ignorance is strength; Freedom is slavery)
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To: NYer

What a story.


21 posted on 11/22/2008 7:57:24 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Crazieman

Not a fabrication at all. Did you read the article?


22 posted on 11/22/2008 7:58:37 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Crazieman
Please learn about Purgatory. It is referred to in the Bible.

Beginning Catholic: Catholic Purgatory: What Does It Mean? [Ecumenical]

Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective [Ecumenical]

PURIFYING THE SOUL ON EARTH IS WORTH 100X WHAT IT TAKES AFTER [Catholic Caucus]

What Happens After Death?

Purgatory

A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 12: Purgatory

The Doctrine of Purgatory

The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

Required for entrance to Purgatory? Personal question for Cathloic Freepers.

(Protestant) Minister Who Had Near-Death Episode Believes In Purgatory

Straight Answers: What Is Purgatory Like?

Do Catholics Believe in Purgatory?

Purgatory, Indulgences, and the Work of Jesus Christ (Discussion)

Prayer to Release the Souls of Purgatory

The Forgotten Souls in Purgatory

Praying for the dead [Purgatory]

23 posted on 11/22/2008 8:00:33 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Do you recall where you got the Purgatory definitions from?


24 posted on 11/22/2008 9:57:58 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Salvation

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25 posted on 11/23/2008 6:08:02 AM PST by SweetCaroline (I would rather suffer than fail to please GOD!)
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To: tx_eggman
Better do some more discerning as you wade through what you foolishly think is nothing but a smorgasbord.

"If we suffer, we shall also reign with him. If we deny him, he will also deny us." 2 Timothy 2:12

"For this is thankworthy, if for conscience towards God, a man endure sorrows, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if committing sin, and being buffeted for it, you endure? But if doing well you suffer patiently; this is thankworthy before God. For unto this are you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving you an example that you should follow His steps." 1 Peter 2:19-21

"But if also you suffer any thing for justice' sake, blessed are ye. And be not afraid of their fear, and be not troubled." 1 Peter 3:14

"For it is better doing well (if such be the will of God) to suffer, than doing ill." 1 Peter 3:17

"Wherefore let them also that suffer according to the will of God, commend their souls in good deeds to the faithful Creator." 1 Peter 4:19

26 posted on 11/23/2008 8:41:35 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: DarthVader

Good point.


27 posted on 11/23/2008 9:30:12 AM PST by PatriotGirl827 (Pray for the United States of America!)
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To: wastedyears

You have no idea what you’re saying...


28 posted on 11/23/2008 11:46:09 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne, Pray for Us!)
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To: Gene Eric
Do you recall where you got the Purgatory definitions from?

PURGATORY

29 posted on 11/23/2008 3:26:07 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Desdemona; Gene Eric
This account isn't much different than the others I've read over the years.

You noticed this too. This is what St. Faustina wrote in hter diary.


Souls in Purgatory

The next night] I saw my Guardian Angel, who ordered me to follow him. In a moment I was in a misty place full of fire in which there was a great crowd of suffering souls. They were praying fervently, but to no avail, for themselves; only we can come to their aid. The flames which were burning them did not touch me at all. My Guardian Angel did not leave me for an instant. I asked these souls what their greatest suffering was. They answered me in one voice that their greatest torment was longing for God. I saw Our Lady visiting the souls in Purgatory. The souls call her "The Star of the Sea." She brings them refreshment. I wanted to talk with them some more, but my Guardian Angel beckoned me to leave. We went out of that prison of suffering. [I heard an interior voice] which said, My mercy does not want this, but justice demands it. Since that time I am in closer communion with the suffering souls. (20)
 
One night, a sister who had died two months previously came to me. She was a sister of the first choir. I saw her in a terrible condition, all in flames with her face painfully distorted. This lasted only a short time, and then she disappeared. A shudder went through my soul because I did not know whether she was suffering in purgatory or in hell. Nevertheless I redoubled my prayers for her. The next night she came again, but I saw her in an even more horrible state, in the midst of flames which were even more intense, and despair was written all over the face. I was astonished to see her in a worse condition after the prayers I had offered for her, and I asked, "Haven't my prayers helped you?" She answered that my prayers had not helped her and that nothing would help her. I said to her," And the prayers which the whole community has offered for you...?" She said no, that these prayers had helped some other souls.... Despite this, I kept on praying.... After some time she came back.. but already her appearance had changed. There were no longer any flames ..and her face was radiant, her eyes beaming with joy. She told me that I had a true love for my neighbour and that many other souls had profited from my prayers. She urged me not to cease praying for the souls in purgatory, and she added that she herself would not remain there much longer. How astounding are the decrees of God! (58)
In spite of the noise [the gardeners] were making, I heard these words in my soul: "Pray for me!" But as I could not understand these words very well, I moved a few steps away from the wards, trying to think who it could be who was asking me to pray. Then I heard the words: "I am Sister..." This sister was in Warsaw while I was, at the time, in Vilnius. "Pray for me until I tell you to stop. I am dying." Immediately, I began to pray fervently for her [addressing myself] to the expiring Heart of Jesus. She gave me no respite , and I kept praying from three until five. At five I heard the words, "Thank you!" and I understood that she had died. .....In the afternoon [the following day] a postcard came saying that Sister... had died at such and such a time. I understood that it was at the same hour when she had said to me, "Pray for me." (315)
 
This evening, one of the deceased sisters came and asked me for one day of fasting and to offer all my [spiritual] exercises on that day for her. I answered that I would. From early morning on the following day, I offered everything for her intention. During Holy Mass, I had a brief experience of her torment. I experienced such intense hunger for God that I seemed to be dying of the desire to become united with Him. This lasted only a short time, but I understood what the longing of the souls in purgatory was like. (1185-6)

30 posted on 11/23/2008 3:33:34 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Alex Murphy

“take a number”? Sounds like the Social Security office.


31 posted on 11/23/2008 3:33:58 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: NYer

Thank you, bookmarked.


32 posted on 11/23/2008 5:33:44 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Better do some more discerning as you wade through what you foolishly think is nothing but a smorgasbord.

A.A., I never meant to imply that we aren't going to suffer ... or that suffering is necessarily a bad thing.

What I take issue with is the notion that ANYTHING that I do/don't do can win me favor with God or purify me in his eyes.

The concept that there is some interim place I can go to to "pay" the penalty for my sins and thus be cleansed is anathema .. - Christ's blood ALONE does that ... to say otherwise is totally contrary to the Gospel. It may be the doctrine of a church .. but it's not in the book.

For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace

33 posted on 11/23/2008 5:37:38 PM PST by tx_eggman (I own two rare photos. Houdini as he locks his keys in his car and Norman Rockwell beating a child.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Man: I can remember... the nurses... saying something about “code pink,” and then clearly I remember... one of the doctors saying “he’s gone.” “

I don’tthink Code Pink meant an emergency situation as far as a patient was concerned. I thought it was a signal for nurses to come support a fellow nurse who was being mistreated by a doctor. The nurses gathered and formed a wall of pink to intimidate the abusive doctor.


34 posted on 11/23/2008 9:28:08 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: NYer
My mercy does not want this, but justice demands it.

I have serious difficulties with this concept - I'm of course not saying it's wrong, but that if I am to believe that, e.g., justice demands one who has had pre-marital sex with a partner and not confessed it spends eternity in hell I also have to believe that God is less merciful then, I'd guess, 90% of our earthly parents, who may not be happy about it, but would love their child enough to get over it. If I believe that, e.g., every unrepentant murderer spends eternity in hell, I have to believe that God is less merciful than our judicial system, which grants parole after a period served. As a Catholic who is really hanging on to her faith by a thread, I can't help but find the "eternal punishment" for fairly common sins committed in our short stay on earth to put God in the position of a petulant teenager, who would cut you off forever for a single slight in ways that seem profoundly unjust -- and mroe like a human attempt to keep people in line by threatening them with eternal damnation. I guess I would prefer to think better of God, but what do I know, as I'm really having a religious crisis at the moment.

35 posted on 11/23/2008 11:51:01 PM PST by cammie
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To: cammie
e.g., justice demands one who has had pre-marital sex with a partner and not confessed it spends eternity in hell

The topic is purgatory, not hell. Purgatory exists because of God's mercy.

36 posted on 11/24/2008 6:00:25 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

The priest also saw hell...and the many souls in it. So the topic isn’t only Purgatory, but eternal damnation.


37 posted on 11/25/2008 7:36:51 AM PST by cammie
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To: NYer

bttt


38 posted on 12/18/2008 4:00:34 PM PST by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: cammie
"eternal punishment" for fairly common sins committed in our short stay on earth

Don't be fooled by the popularity of certain transgressions on earth, even among your friends, family and even you (and me).

Many Catholic references point out that it is precisely those sins, nearly universal among mankind, that are precisely the reason for souls lost to hell in the absence of Reconciliation and Redemption.

The reason juries and judges don't grant eternal punishment is because humans live in the context of a temporal world. The reason that God has infinite mercy and forgiveness is that your soul lives in an eternal world.

and mroe like a human attempt to keep people in line by threatening them with eternal damnation.

You have elucidated God's unlimited kindness here. Parents, in a limited way, are kind when they discipline their children, preventing more serious problems. God, in an infinite way, does the same thing. If it weren't for that threat, you surely be condemned to hell.

39 posted on 12/18/2008 4:25:25 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: cammie

“As a Catholic who is really hanging on to her faith by a thread, I can’t help but find the “eternal punishment” for fairly common sins committed in our short stay on earth to put God in the position of a petulant teenager”

Please allow me to point out that God doesn’t “punish” us by “sending” us to Hell. God wants every one of us in Heaven. We send ourselves to Hell by failing to become worthy to spend eternity with God—not by God’s verdict, but through our own failings, and because we turn away from all of God’s attempts to bring us back to Him.

I very much fear that you may have been exposed to some very bad catechism and theology. Please do not fall away from the Church on that basis.

I’m not judging you, but just trying to help despite my own shortcomings and sins.

One thing to remember is that whenever human reason makes God seem petulent, cruel, or unreasonable, the problem lies with our own misunderstandings, not with God.

Have you read “Imitation of Christ” by Saint Alphonsus, or “Introduction to the Devout Life” by Saint Francis de Sales? I feel that they were very helpful to me.

There are some great people here in this forum who can speak with much knowledge and understanding. I’ve learned a lot here (in my own estimation).


40 posted on 10/30/2011 11:52:13 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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