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To: Alex Murphy

So let me see if I can summarize and extrapolate fairly here.

You think that the Reformed tradition generally (for which the OPC is a viable representative) would see the image of God in mankind/and individuals/and groups in their natural state apart from Christ as being retained enough to support the thought that each and every human life is precious in God’s eyes as it bears in a limited sense His image? (It would seem to use this quote in a statement against abortion something like that must be intended.)

Assuming that is a fair statement, I think the nub of the biscuit for the Reformed on Total Depravity is that man (apart from Christ) is a despicable enemy of God. More perp than victim. Perhaps these two thoughts fit together for some but it doesn’t work for me. Closest possible fix is ‘vengeance is mine saith the Lord I will repay’ so the real sin in abortion would be taking the law into one’s own hands or that some of those babies may have been elect so one self-incriminates.

What I don’t see is how the fundamental impulse of the pro-life movement (that every life is a precious (good) gift of God) is not inconsistent with the Reformed teaching on depravity.


17 posted on 12/04/2008 12:33:15 PM PST by Rippin
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To: Rippin
You think that the Reformed tradition generally...would...support the thought that each and every human life is precious in God’s eyes as it bears in a limited sense His image?

I would say yes, IMO you have articulated the Reformed position correctly.

the nub of the biscuit for the Reformed on Total Depravity is that man (apart from Christ) is a despicable enemy of God. More perp than victim.

Again, I would say yes, IMO you have articulated the Reformed position correctly.

Perhaps these two thoughts fit together for some but it doesn’t work for me. Closest possible fix is ‘vengeance is mine saith the Lord I will repay’ so the real sin in abortion would be taking the law into one’s own hands or that some of those babies may have been elect so one self-incriminates.

The former position is the closest to the correct understanding. Your latter conclusion, i.e. that only the elect should be protected from abortion, is completely off-target and fallacious.

What I don’t see is how the fundamental impulse of the pro-life movement (that every life is a precious (good) gift of God) is not inconsistent with the Reformed teaching on depravity.

I think you've made an incorrect jump between the Reformed understandings of righteousness, total depravity and inherent worth, but I've made you wait long enough for the above. I will do my best to answer this seeming inconsistency in a later post.

18 posted on 12/04/2008 4:39:48 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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