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To: shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
The tough passage is John Chapter 6, roughly verse 35 to the end of the chapter. Jesus said “unless you eat my body and drink my blood you cannot have life within you”. Jesus let many disciples walk away; even asked Peter “will you leave also?”...

Jesus let those people go because He knew no matter what He said, they wouldn't believe Him...

Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Catholics believe that Jesus loves us so much that He wanted to remain with us until the end of the world.

With all due respect, Jesus gave Himself to us in the form of the Holy Spirit to be with us til He comes again to take us home...

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

He would have remained suspended on that cross to stay with us, but would have then been limited to one dark corner of the planet. In the Eucharist, He is where we are, all over the world.

Jesus objective was to be Resurrected...No, he wouldn't have stayed on the Cross for Catholics to gather and worship His dead, broken body...

That's the difference between believing the propoganda your church puts out and what God told us in the scriptures...

It doesn't matter to me what you people believe but scripture means nothing to you guys...

All you can do is cut and paste the propoganda and selected bible passages that your church demands you use...You can't respond to scripture other than what your church has programmed into you...

70 posted on 12/29/2008 4:50:27 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
It's funny that you ask for scripture, and when you're given it, you call it propaganda!

Don't blame me- Jesus said it! When He taught something that people did not understand, like Nicodemus, thinking to be born again he had to climb back into his mother's womb, Jesus corrected the misunderstanding.

When others did not like what Jesus said, He did not change what He said, He repeated it. That is exactly what He does when He said “unless you eat my body and drink my blood you have no life in you”. The people then did not like it any better than you do now. When they argued with Him, He repeated Himself. In fact, He repeated Himself 5 times. I'm sorry if you don't like what He said, but He was painfully clear, and I do not presume to change/ignore/misinterpret what He said.

As to what those who left Him would believe, they obviously believed quite a bit, otherwise they would not have followed Him that far. But they could not accept that one teaching. Perhaps there would have been others, but that was the one they could not swallow.

Throughout history there were others that could not accept certain teachings, and they went their way also. There are about 30,000 different Christian denominations now, all believing their interpretation of the Bible to be correct. If that is the Holy Spirit at work, He must want us all to believe different things.

While there is one God, there are three distinct persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus can't give Himself “in the form of” the Spirit. He said He would (and did) send the Spirit, but either way you look at it, “Unless you eat my body” is not the same as sending the Spirit.

So as to Chapter 6 of the Gospel of John, particularly verse 53, I take your referral to the command of Jesus as “propaganda” to mean that you would rather not discuss it. Sounds like you pretty much agree with those who said “this is a hard saying, who can accept it?”

As to sending the Spirit, yes, Jesus did as He said He would! He sent the Spirit to Peter and the other Apostles, and that Spirit has remained with His Church for the last 2000 years, and the Spirit will remain, as Jesus promised, until the end of the world!

Just as the cross is meaningless without the resurrection, you can have no resurrection without the cross. It was the passion and death of Jesus that opened the gates of Heaven. He came into the world to die. Certainly if His point was only to resurrect, He could have chosen a much less painful way to die; perhaps something like His good friend Lazarus whom He also raised.

As to worshiping His dead and broken body; no, we worship Him- God. And only God. We honor His sacrifice; God the creator allowing His creation to kill Him; taking the sins of the world upon Himself. That sacrifice is what redeems us; His resurrection is the “final victory”, but is impossible without the cross.

As to your belief that scripture means nothing to Catholics,or, “you people” as you put it, you're very wrong! Someone posted a long list of the prayers in the Catholic Mass and the scriptural basis of it. As to cutting and pasting, you seem to do a pretty good job of it yourself, and remember- you're the one that wanted a scriptural passage!

Finally, do not forget where the New Testament came from; it came from God through His Church. It was written, copied, and passed down through generations, and codified in one book finally in the year 390-something AD. By the Church. And until the printing press in 1400-something, the Church copied it by hand and distributed it to the various churches. If you accept the Bible as the unerring and inspired Word of God, then you have to thank the Church, under the direction of the Holy Spirit, for picking the books of the Bible, and copying for all those years. So don't presume to tell Catholics anything about scripture! That's OUR book!

71 posted on 12/30/2008 10:27:21 AM PST by shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
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