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Just when I thought I could say "Amen" (Rick Warren invokes the name of Islamic Jesus...)
Take a Stand Ministries ^ | 1-21-09 | Eric Barger

Posted on 01/24/2009 2:22:21 PM PST by 444Flyer

There I was, watching all the regalia of the presidential inauguration. The crowds, the dignataries...(snip) Of course, I was also waiting to see just what kind of prayer Rick Warren had co-opted to pray for the new incoming President and his administration.

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FYI on "Isa" the Islamic false jesus. Who is not Jesus Christ, the Messiah, Lord and Savior.
1 posted on 01/24/2009 2:22:30 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: Saoirise; TaraP; Esther Ruth; F15Eagle; agrace; lupie; Terriergal; RobRoy; ItsOurTimeNow; ...

Ping


2 posted on 01/24/2009 2:26:13 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: 444Flyer

I’m not surprised. His Bible call God, “I AM WHAT I AM.” When his proper name is, “I AM THAT I AM.” Research the difference in those meanings and you will see why we have a bunch of Joel Osteens running around. Wealthy preachers who are ashamed of the Gospel.


3 posted on 01/24/2009 2:27:00 PM PST by kingpins9
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To: 444Flyer

I wish these AMERICANS (religious or NOT)Could put these into simple terms ... like...

All I need to know about ISLAM, I learned on 9/11.

Bumpersticker mentality... maybe ... but most problems in life, when simplified to a Bumpersticker, makes problems solveable.


4 posted on 01/24/2009 2:31:16 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Mullah Hussein ... which part of "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW" ...did you NOT UNDERSTAND??)
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To: kingpins9

“I am what I am” is Popeye.


5 posted on 01/24/2009 2:31:44 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: kingpins9
From the blood of the martyrs to to the compromise of the masses. Big tent oneness and global religion on the way.

Discerning Bible believing Christians will have no part of this antichrist religion on the horizon.

We are witnessing the great falling away from the faith and anyone not repentant and saved trusting in Jesus Christ and The ONLY Way, The ONLY Truth, and The ONLY Life will fall for anything.

6 posted on 01/24/2009 2:35:47 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: brytlea

This Thread has gone SOUTH. Give ‘em a break, Isa is the name in the Koran, for a Prophet of God, born to a Mary, who was a Virgen. I don’t know what all the fuss is bout.


7 posted on 01/24/2009 2:35:56 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: kingpins9; 444Flyer
Exd 3:14 God 430 said 559 to Moses 4872, "I AM 1961 WHO 834 I AM 1961"; and He said 559, "Thus 3541 you shall say 559 to the sons 1121 of Israel 3478, 'I AM 1961 has sent 7971 me to you.' "
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

8 posted on 01/24/2009 2:40:16 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: rovenstinez

You stopped short. There is more to Isa than you just wrote and therein may lie your inability to understand the fuss.


9 posted on 01/24/2009 2:40:42 PM PST by WildcatClan (Obama is to the Presidency as Basquiat is to art.)
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To: rovenstinez
Don't know what the fuss is all about? If and when you come to know the true Messiah, The Deliverer, The Savior, then you'll note a glaring heresy in Warren's prayer ...

So, just when I thought I could say "amen," it happened. Warren said "I humbly ask this in the name of the one who changed my life, Yeshua, Isa, Jesus [Spanish pronunciation], Jesus, who taught us to pray, "Our father who art in Heaven..." Opppsss. Wait a minute. I should have known that it was too good to be true. Yeshua and Jesus - great! "Isa" - not so much.
... Warren's use of the name of Isa, the false Jesus of Islam, was a glaring slap in the face to all that he had already prayed. "Isa" in no way represents the Jesus of the Bible but is instead the false Jesus of the Qur'an (Koran) and the Muslim Hadith.
"Isa" (pronounced "eee-sa") is the Islamic Jesus who was but a prophet and who certainly did not experience a sacrificial death on a cross let alone resurrect from the dead. In fact, in Islam the prophet Isa is actually the destroyer of Christianity - not it's Savior. Obviously, this is simply NOT the same Jesus as is Yeshua.

10 posted on 01/24/2009 2:49:46 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: 444Flyer

From the blood of the martyrs to to the compromise of the masses. Big tent oneness and global religion on the way.

Discerning Bible believing Christians will have no part of this antichrist religion on the horizon.

We are witnessing the great falling away from the faith and anyone not repentant and saved trusting in Jesus Christ and The ONLY Way, The ONLY Truth, and The ONLY Life will fall for anything. “

Hear, hear!!! lord allow us the courage to hold the truth against what is about to come.


11 posted on 01/24/2009 2:50:07 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: rovenstinez

Why are you posting to me? I simply commented that “I am what I am” is a Popeye quote.


12 posted on 01/24/2009 2:52:38 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: brytlea

13 posted on 01/24/2009 2:52:42 PM PST by JRios1968 (Sarah Palin is what Willis was talkin' about!)
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To: JRios1968

Now THAT’S what I’m talkin’ about!


14 posted on 01/24/2009 2:57:12 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: rovenstinez; WildcatClan; XeniaSt; All
“This Thread has gone SOUTH. Give ‘em a break, Isa is the name in the Koran, for a Prophet of God, born to a Mary, who was a Virgin...”

“The Coming Of Isa The Messiah (Muslim Jesus)”:
http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/isa.html

“..I don't know what the fuss is all about.”

The fuss is that the Lord warned against following after false christs and a pastor has no business elevating the name of the false jesus of Islam before the world.

Matthew 24:23-25 (NKJV):

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand.”

15 posted on 01/24/2009 2:57:27 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: lookout88

AMEN!

John 3:1-36


16 posted on 01/24/2009 2:59:32 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: brytlea

But it is not what the thread is about. This issue is so poignant that it causes people to spontaneously bleed and screech in pain. No wonder the pratfall wizards are out in force making silly.
This war runs deep, deeper than most thought possible. It will end not so much in bloodshed as in salvation or damnation.


17 posted on 01/24/2009 3:02:24 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: 444Flyer

THANK you!!!!!


18 posted on 01/24/2009 3:02:45 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

God Bless Gramma!:)


19 posted on 01/24/2009 3:05:00 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: brytlea

20 posted on 01/24/2009 3:07:11 PM PST by JRios1968 (Sarah Palin is what Willis was talkin' about!)
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To: XeniaSt
I AM 1961

He said 559

Thus 3541 you shall say 559

1961 has sent 7971

Are you quoting Agent 99?

21 posted on 01/24/2009 3:12:08 PM PST by Titanites
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To: Cindy

Ping


22 posted on 01/24/2009 3:31:04 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: 444Flyer

Thanks for the ping.

As a born-again Christian, I have never recognized Warren as a fellow believer.

However, my opinion doesn’t count; it’s between him and God, or him and Satan.


23 posted on 01/24/2009 3:34:13 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Amos the Prophet

Amos, you know I love you but—I was responding to a post that sounded like a Popeye quote. I think God has a sense of humor (he made me after all). It doesn’t meant I don’t *get* the gravity of the situation. Of course, I also know that HE is in control, and I trust that He is going to take care of everything.


24 posted on 01/24/2009 3:45:54 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: JRios1968

Psst...be careful, apparently no joking allowed!


25 posted on 01/24/2009 3:47:17 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: rovenstinez
Give ‘em a break, Isa is the name in the Koran, for a Prophet of God, born to a Mary, who was a Virgen.

The god of the Koran is not the God of the Bible. The Koran's god is more closely related to one of the graven images for which the people of Israel were punished for worshipping.

26 posted on 01/24/2009 3:56:29 PM PST by Ingtar (Americans have truly let America down. A sad day.)
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To: Titanites

If you’re not aware that Hebrew letters and words have a numeric value, and that the numeric value has meaning in and of itself, then that whole “666” business must be very confusing for you.


27 posted on 01/24/2009 4:03:32 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: kingpins9
I’m not surprised. His Bible call God, “I AM WHAT I AM.” When his proper name is, “I AM THAT I AM.” Research the difference in those meanings and you will see why we have a bunch of Joel Osteens running around. Wealthy preachers who are ashamed of the Gospel.

Which bible would that be? Rev. Rick uses, so I read, whatever bible version suits him.

28 posted on 01/24/2009 4:11:12 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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To: kingpins9

In my Bible, when asked his Name by Moses, G-d replied,

“I AM WHO AM”

G-d then instructed Moses to tell his people that “HE WHO IS” has sent Moses to deliver them from the land of Egypt.

This seems, IMO, to coincide with Jesus declaring to the Pharisees,

“Before Abraham was, I am.”


29 posted on 01/24/2009 4:12:03 PM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My cartridges are lubricated with pig grease!")
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To: Ingtar

Allah is a deceiving spirit, certainly not the God of the Bible. Some think Allah is just a sand jinn. I think it’s Baal, myself.

This “Isa” of the Koran did not die on the cross, and did not rise on the third day. Therefore, “Isa” is the very definition of an anti-Christ.

And there stood Rick Warren, so needy of worldly approval, invoking the name of an anti-Christ, in prayer.

Delusion.


30 posted on 01/24/2009 4:14:08 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

One could likely make a case for Obama being THE antichrist with Warren as his false prophet. I figure that by the time it is truly clear, I will be gone. (Pretrib rapture believer here)


31 posted on 01/24/2009 4:17:34 PM PST by Ingtar (Americans have truly let America down. A sad day.)
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To: Ingtar

You could be right. But, there are a lot of things that would have to occur in an extremely rapid manner.

Your belief in pretrib rapture is mistaken, imho. It’s not a debate that could endanger anyone’s salvation, though, so it’s not a point to argue strenuously. I do think people should prepare themselves, though. Christians will live through, and many die in, the tribulation, as far as I’ve been able to understand.


32 posted on 01/24/2009 4:39:53 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

In a practical sense, it makes little difference: things will be plenty bad before the “great escape” no matter whether you are pre, post, or mid...


33 posted on 01/24/2009 4:45:12 PM PST by Ingtar (Americans have truly let America down. A sad day.)
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To: 444Flyer

I did not know this information about the word “Isa.” However, I want to say why I was extremely excited about Warren’s prayer. He prayed the “Lord’s Prayer.” As he prayed it, I prayed it in the gym of our public school, and marveled that I was praying it aloud in the midst of hundreds of people. It was exhilarating!


34 posted on 01/24/2009 5:03:28 PM PST by Ray'sBeth
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To: Titanites
XS>I AM 1961 He said 559 Thus 3541 you shall say 559 1961 has sent 7971

Are you quoting Agent 99?

They are Strong's Concordance numbers.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
35 posted on 01/24/2009 5:23:32 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: 444Flyer
Just When I Thought I Could Say "Amen"...

by Eric Barger

Eric seems to have missed the opening of Rick Warren's invocation.

Let us pray.

Almighty God, our father,
everything we see and everything we can't see
exists because of you alone. It all comes from you,
it all belongs to you. It all exists for your glory.
History is your story.

(Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is,)
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

The Shema as prayed by Yah'shua and
recorded by Peter's amanuensis, Mark.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
36 posted on 01/24/2009 5:56:47 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: 444Flyer
Just When I Thought I Could Say "Amen"...

by Eric Barger

Eric seems to have missed the opening of Rick Warren's invocation.

Let us pray.

Almighty God, our father,
everything we see and everything we can't see
exists because of you alone. It all comes from you,
it all belongs to you. It all exists for your glory.
History is your story.

(Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is,)
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

The Shema as prayed by Yah'shua and
recorded by Peter's amanuensis, Mark.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
37 posted on 01/24/2009 5:59:52 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
If you’re not aware that Hebrew letters and words have a numeric value, and that the numeric value has meaning in and of itself, then that whole “666” business must be very confusing for you.

If you're not aware of what a joke is, that whole humor thing must be very confusing for you.

38 posted on 01/24/2009 8:43:54 PM PST by Titanites
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To: XeniaSt
Then he follows the Shema with this statement:

“And you are the compassionate and merciful one.”

The NKJV of the translation of the Bible translate James 5:11b as “-that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.”

But that statement is also related to one of the false god Allah's most holy names in Islam. And is at the beginning of every chapter of the Qur’an (except one) and is used as an invocation.

http://jihadwatch.org/archives/024478.php

With all the titles Warren could have addressed the Lord by after the Shema he chose one that could be interspersed with Islam and Allah. What are the chances that particular phrase was connected to the Shema by Warren and he was unaware of its connection with the Qur’an? Then he ends his prayer not with Jesus Christ but with a list of names for “Jesus” minus his Messianic title. And one of them was Isa the jesus of Islam.

39 posted on 01/24/2009 8:50:12 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: 444Flyer
The fuss is that the Lord warned against following after false christs and a pastor has no business elevating the name of the false jesus of Islam before the world.

Can't be said too often...

Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The name of Jesus is equated with the name of God...

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Apparently there was a muzlim in the crowd that Rick Warren didn't want to offend...

Isa is not Jesus...Rick should have skipped Isa and used 'Allah' in it's place...The muzlims then would have understood what Rick was trying to imply...But then Rick may have gotten back-handed by someone close by...

Of course it's possible Rick Warren doesn't know the difference betwen Jesus and Isa, as so many religous folk here in the U.S...

41 posted on 01/24/2009 9:21:54 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Absolutely.

I can't judge Warren's heart only his actions. His actions tell me he has been to Syria, which leads me to believe he read up on his Islamic terminology. He is also a board member of Tony Blair's ecumenical “Faith Foundation”. Tony Blair recently announced that he reads the Qur’an regularly. It will be very hard for Warren to play dumb on this issue.

42 posted on 01/24/2009 9:38:29 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: Iscool

He’s also a member of the Council of Foreign Relations which takes an slightly above average I.Q..


43 posted on 01/24/2009 9:59:47 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: 444Flyer

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44 posted on 01/24/2009 10:01:03 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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Kick Warren thread.


45 posted on 01/24/2009 10:43:14 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Between the Lines

I usually don’t kick ‘em til they’re down...But I made an exception in Rick Warren’s case...


46 posted on 01/25/2009 12:19:26 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Titanites
If you're not aware of what a joke is, that whole humor thing must be very confusing for you.

I have a well developed sense of humor, Titanites. Jokes provide amusement. Your reply did not. No confusion on my end.

47 posted on 01/25/2009 10:07:36 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: brytlea

My apologies for sounding overbearing. I was looking for a pst in response to which I could make my point. You seemed the most likely. The thought was not directed at you but was an attempt to insert a moment of severe gravity.

Love you right back. The Lord is, indeed, in control, but perhaps not of the economy or other human devices. These are our little traps that we lay for ourselves. Right now it appears those who oppose His dominion are in control.


48 posted on 01/25/2009 10:12:55 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Your reply did not.

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49 posted on 01/25/2009 10:26:22 AM PST by Titanites
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To: 444Flyer

Warren has always been more into himself than anything else. Since he has already bilked a lot of evangelicals out of their money, he is looking to get into the Islamic market.


50 posted on 01/25/2009 12:10:18 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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