Posted on 02/05/2009 11:26:03 AM PST by restornu
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. » A Colorado Springs-based evangelical group spent more than three times the amount spent by the Mormon church to support a California ballot initiative that outlawed gay marriage.
Data released this week by the California secretary of state's office show Focus on the Family donated $657,000 in money and services to ProtectMarriage.com, a California coalition that supported Proposition 8.
A September report indicated Focus on the Family had contributed $448,406. Focus vice president of media relations Gary Schneeberger says the most recent figure includes the value of non-cash contributions such as mailing costs and time on radio programs.
The data also indicate Salt Lake City-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints donated $189,000 to support Proposition 8.
CTR
How come sodomites, anti-American hollywood stars, and socialists aren’t fighting about who spent more to defeat Proposition 8?
To be fair, it wasn’t Focus on the Family alone that did this. Money certainly came in from donations to help the fight.
>How come sodomites, anti-American hollywood stars, and socialists aren’t fighting about who spent more to defeat Proposition 8?
That is a good question.
Mormon Church reveals deeper involvement in Prop. 8
Sacramento Bee ^ | January 31, 2009 | Shane Goldmacher
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:25:09 PM by greyfoxx39
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2175888/posts
This is not going away.
1 posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:25:09 PM by greyfoxx39
To: restornu; Tennessee Nana
As I have said before, I don’t support gay marriage, however, Mormons aren’t...or shouldn’t be above the law. I am sure you would differ with my opinion.
There has been much publicity about the LDS and Prop 8, and the disproportionate donations by mormons to the cause.
Christian churches have been investigated and penalized regarding the interference of church into politics.
“The IRS decided to revoke the tax-exempt [status] from the Church (the Church at Pierce Creek) because the Church had run a print advertisement in two national newspapers that was fully attributable to the Church and that solicited donations,” wrote Friedman. “Plaintiffs have pointed to no other instance in which a church so brazenly claimed responsibility for a political advertisement in a national newspaper and solicited tax-deductible donations for that political advertisement. In fact, plaintiffs have provided no evidence of an instance in which a political act could so easily be attributed to a tax-exempt church.”
“Friedman also rejected claims that the IRS’s action had violated its religious freedom rights. “Plaintiffs were offered a choice: they could engage in partisan political activity and forfeit their [tax-exempt] status or they could refrain from partisan political activity and retain their [tax-exempt] status,” Friedman observed. “That choice is unconnected to plaintiffs’ ability to freely exercise their religion. Plaintiffs therefore have not demonstrated that the IRS substantially burdened their free exercise of religion.”
Federal Court Upholds Internal Revenue Service Action Against New York Church For Partisan Electioneering
15 posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:45:09 PM by greyfoxx39
Church Clarifies Proposition 8 Filing, Corrects Erroneous News Reports
The Knights of Columbus came up with over a million. We’ve been labeled a Hate Group.
That's because Brigham Young and Joseph Smith said things that would make even the KKK squeamish.
"Brigham Young said: "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p.110).
Wilford Woodruff, who became the fourth president of the Mormon church, recorded in his journal an address delivered by President Brigham Young in 1852. In this address we find the following: "And if any man mingle his seed with the seed of Cane [sic] the ownly [sic] way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be to come forward and have his head cut off & spill his Blood upon the ground it would also take the life of his children..." ("Wilford Woodruff's Journal," January 16,1852, typed copy; original located in LDS church archives).
President Cannon said he had understood President Taylor to say that a man who had the priesthood who would marry a woman of the accursed seed, that if the law of the Lord were administered upon him, he would be killed, and his offspring, for the reason that the Lord had determined that the seed of Cain should not receive the priesthood in the flesh ... ("Excerpts From The Weekly Council Meetings Of The Quorum Of The Twelve Apostles, Dealing With The Rights Of Negroes In The Church, 1849-1940," as published in Mormonism—Shadow or Reality? p.582).
Jedediah M. Grant, who was second counselor to Brigham Young, preached: I say, that there are men and women that I would advise to go to the President immediately, and ask him to appoint a committee to attend to their case; and then let a place be selected, and let that committee shed their blood. We have those amongst us that are full of all manner of abominations, those who need to have their blood shed ... I would ask how many covenant breakers there are in this city and in this kingdom. I believe that there are a great many; and if they are covenant breakers we need a place designated, where we can shed their blood.... I go for letting the sword of the Almighty be unsheathed, not only in word, but in deed ... you who have committed sins that cannot be forgiven through baptism, let your blood be shed, and let the smoke ascend, that the incense thereof may come up before God as an atonement for your sins, and that the sinners in Zion may be afraid (Deseret News, October 1, 1856, p.235; also Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, pp.49-51).
Jedediah M. Grant exclaimed: What disposition ought the people of God to make of covenant breakers ... What does the Apostle say? He says they are worthy of death .... Putting to death transgressors would exhibit the law of God, no difference by whom it was done; that is my opinion.... people will look into books of theology, and argue that the people of God have a right to try people for fellowship, but they have no right to try them on property or life That makes the devil laugh, saying, I have got them on a hook now; ... has not the people of God a right to carry out that part of his law as well as any other portion of it? It is their right to baptize a sinner to save him, and it is also their right to kill a sinner to save him, when he commits those crimes that can only be atoned for by shedding his blood.... We would not kill a man, of course, unless we killed him to save him....Do you think it would be any sin to kill me if I were to break my covenants? ... Do you believe you would kill me if I broke the covenants of God, and you had the Spirit of God? Yes; and the more Spirit of God I had, the more I should strive to save your soul by spilling your blood, when you had committed sin that could not be remitted by baptism" (Deseret News, July 27, 1854).
Furthermore, given the LDS history on the definition of marraige, I think I can speak for most Christians...WE DO NOT WANT YOUR "HELP"...Any more than we want help from the klan.
Apostle Orson Hyde: “I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 210)
Brigham Young, answering critics who claimed polygamy as a relic of barbarism: “ Yes, one of the relics of Adam, of Enoch, of Noah, of Abraham, of Isaac, of Jacob, of Moses, David, Solomon, the Prophets, OF JESUS, AND HIS APOSTLES.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 328)
Brigham Young: “The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not now who they were, unless HIS WIVES AND CHILDREN;...” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 309)
Lets see what’s the difference......I know I know....they did not run around yelling “look at me look at me”.
Ok, I am really confused. Are you glad or sad that some group (groups) other than ldsers spent time and money on Prop 8? Or are you glad or sad (ok I give up) what’s the point of your post?
GF..
just thought you might like to be ...
PIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGED
To a post quoting your words...
Post # 6
I find it both sad and amusing how so many other groups feel some need to prove they did more than us Mormons. It just seems rather unChristian, especially if the motive is that they hate to see anything good said of the Mormons.
The truth is there isn’t really any way for mortal man to accurately sum up both the contribution made by a specific organization, and the individual efforts of people who belong to those organizations.
The only thing that can be said for certain is that people who are for gay marriage see Mormons as having more to do with their defeat than any other group, but everybody should be more concerned with getting the job done than in getting credit for themselves, or in trying to undermine others who do good things. If these protesters were targeting Cathoics, I would be saying ‘way to go!’ to the Catholics, not trying to elbow my way to the front of the line.
Ok, I am really confused. Are you glad or sad that some group (groups) other than ldsers spent time and money on Prop 8? Or are you glad or sad (ok I give up) what’s the point of your post?
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I am glad for all faiths who have support Prop 8.
and to clear up misconceptions that a few nemesis have been promoting.
Well...
...isn't THIS special!!
Hope YOUR troops show up instead of ignoring your call to arms.
Adam-ondi-Ahman; America always; Antonello; Arrowhead; asparagus; BlueMoose; ComeUpHigher; ...
Are you sure that YOU'RE the one to do this task?
Ya gotta read all the words: CHURCH.
Apparently not wanting to expose the Organization® to legal and/or constitutional problems; the 'church' encouraged it's MEMBERS to do the real heavy lifting with money, time and effort.
I’m glad prop 8 went as it did and I don’t really care who gets credit or blame or what group did more or less than other groups. I’m just happy with the result.
I am dismayed however with the behaviour of some groups after the fact however for the reasons I’ve stated.
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