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Catholic Church prepares for tens of thousands of U.S. converts
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| April 1, 2009
Posted on 04/01/2009 5:54:12 AM PDT by NYer
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To: ak267; ArrogantBustard
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posted on
04/01/2009 9:54:35 AM PDT
by
NYer
("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
To: jjotto
Not at all. It's an example of innerleckshual pride and arrogance and stuff like that.
/sarc.
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posted on
04/01/2009 11:20:33 AM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg
25-30 from my parish. Not sure of the actual numbers of candidates and catechumens.
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posted on
04/01/2009 11:28:59 AM PDT
by
Salvation
( †With God all things are possible.†)
To: ArrogantBustard
Yeah. So if you grant the inspiration of those who "closed the canon," then you end up with a "story" that has the Holy Ghost operating in the Church just long enough to get the Bible nailed down, and then sort of submerging (with occasional appearances among, say the Lollards or somesuch) until it resurfaced in the Reformation, and then sort of unreliably flitted hither and thither among reform and protestant churches.
And in related news you have "the Church and councils can err," EXCEPT in the matter of the canon. And so little by little we come down to God's being utterly unreliable.
Further, as was argued into the ground about a year ago, "Sola Scriptura" means "Scriptura PLUS the Holy Ghost in the elect reader." So that the question you raise is answered thus: Those who read the Scriptures with the inspiration of the Holy Ghost will find 'sola scriptura' there; the benighted will not.
What 'sola scriptura' gives is an evanescent appearance of some kind of scientific objectivity. What we offer is membership in the now tortured but soon triumphant body of Christ.
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posted on
04/01/2009 11:32:08 AM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: sockmonkey
My wife and I are LCMS Lutheran and about to start catechumen classes in the Orthodox Church. I just could no longer defend the incongruity between the Lutheran Confessions, current political-theological reality, and actual LCMS practice.
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posted on
04/01/2009 1:22:55 PM PDT
by
RedDogzRule
(God bless America...because God knows we need it, especially now...!)
To: NYer
One thing to keep in mind is that a reason the New Catholic Church is attracting many protestant converts is because it [The Church and Mass] has become so heavily protestantized since Vatican II. The transition is easy now. Other converts find themselves attracted by correct doctrine; I won't dispute that.
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posted on
04/01/2009 1:30:59 PM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
To: steve86
Easy annulments are probably a big part of that.
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posted on
04/01/2009 1:37:10 PM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
To: RedDogzRule
My wife and I are LCMS Lutheran I've been ELCA & LCMS. I liked the LCMS better, but I was kicked out because I didn't attend the mary/martha circle meetings. Several of us got the boot, the Church Secretary's daughter. Me, whose Dad was the President of the Congregation..ooh, it was quite the dust up in our little town.
To: Mad Dawg
I'm pleased to see that our archdiocese is mentioned prominently.
The South has a little bit of an unfair advantage because there weren't many Papists down here in the old days.
In my high school two of my best friends were Catholic - one Roman and one Lebanese Maronite. A third was Eastern Orthodox. A good friend in the Boys' School (yes it was sex-segregated!) was Greek Orthodox. And that was just about all the non-Protestants in the whole dang school. (Clearly, in retrospect, I was hangin' out with the right crowd. . . the old-styled Southern pulpit thumpers were suspicious of Episcopalians. They were right, but for the wrong reasons . . . . )
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posted on
04/01/2009 2:21:03 PM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
To: ak267
Sola scriptura is the doctrine that the Bible is the only infallible or inerrant authority for Christian faith, and that it contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness.It does NOT contain sola scriptura, ergo, sola scriptura is not necessary for salvation and holiness.
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posted on
04/01/2009 2:23:41 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
To: kindred
There is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof is death: Sola Scriptura.
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posted on
04/01/2009 2:24:43 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
To: RedDogzRule
God bless you and your wife and may he smooth the path before you.
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posted on
04/01/2009 7:15:50 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: steve86
I do know some converts from maybe 15 years ago or so who came in like that. I’m spoiled in my current parish, and a lot of the Episcopalians who come in, certainly in this year’s class, are not looking for “lite” anything. They’re a wonderful and pious class.
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posted on
04/01/2009 7:17:32 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: AnAmericanMother
It is interesting, isn't it.
I'm on a high from our last RCIA class, which ended an hour ago. Such a lovely and interesting group of people. And most of them ready to take the plunge, ah, so to speak. I was telling one, a very impressive and witty young lady from Colorado how much it meant to us to see these people growing in their love for Jesus.
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posted on
04/01/2009 7:24:44 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg
That's great that you have a good RCIA bunch!
We had a History of Western Church Music course like that, where everybody was on the same wavelength and really interested in the material. We used to sing the music in parts on the spot! It was truly an awesome class.
We sort of lateraled into the parish, so we missed RCIA and I sometimes wonder what it would have been like (I would have been a complete annoyance in RCIA so it was just as well really).
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posted on
04/01/2009 8:08:39 PM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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