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To: Alex Murphy

I am a Protestant. In the pro-life movement I have worked with many very moral Catholics. But I do think that the Catholic church does not discipline its members effectively, if at all.

Witness the large numbers of Catholic legislators advocating abortion, voting for abortion, etc., yet kept on as members in good standing in the Catholic church.

Witness Catholic universities inviting rabid pro-abortion and other immoral speakers for commencement, etc. Not only are the speakers allowed, the inviters aren’t disciplined.

Witness the fact that as a new Christian I wandered into several Catholic churches and partook of mass with no understanding of what on earth I was doing. No one questioned me, asked me where I was from, anything. I was just served.

In short, there is little if any church discipline in the Catholic church. They have some high moral standards but do not hold anyone to them.

In my Protestant church, no one takes communion without being screened by the elders. No one is publicly supporting abortion in any way. The only speakers we have are in compliance with church standards.


48 posted on 04/04/2009 7:44:44 PM PDT by Marie2 (The capacity for self-government is a moral quality. Only a moral people can be free.)
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To: Marie2
Dear Marie2:

<<<”Witness the large numbers of Catholic legislators advocating abortion, voting for abortion, etc., yet kept on as members in good standing in the Catholic church.”>>>

Actually, these members of Congress are excommunicated until they confess their sins. They are to not receive the Eucharist but in doing so are creating another sin. I would doubt they are in good standing. Of course sin is personal and such things are not publicly broadcast by the Church.

<<<”Witness Catholic universities inviting rabid pro-abortion and other immoral speakers for commencement, etc. Not only are the speakers allowed, the inviters aren’t disciplined.”>>>

You will find that many of the Catholic Universities have become secular institutions. They have been secularized for many, many years now. You will also notice that many of their Presidents and Chancellors are from the 1960s era when their educations were influenced by liberals in the Church.

<<<”Witness the fact that as a new Christian I wandered into several Catholic churches and partook of mass with no understanding of what on earth I was doing. No one questioned me, asked me where I was from, anything. I was just served.”>>>

The Mass is not a social gathering. Those I know who were interested in the Mass asked the priest to discuss the Mass. There normally are greeters at the entrance and I have met several who come to the Church and ask for help. We must remember that the Mass is solemn and I believe most of the attendees minds are on the sacrifice.

<<<”In short, there is little if any church discipline in the Catholic church. They have some high moral standards but do not hold anyone to them.”>>>

Not correct. The Church has strict discipline but unfortunately, the Church is made of sinners with free will.
Whether a person obeys these discipline is another story.

<<<”In my Protestant church, no one takes communion without being screened by the elders. No one is publicly supporting abortion in any way. The only speakers we have are in compliance with church standards.”>>>

I am director of our pro life group and associated with the Pennsylvania Pro Life Federation. I unhappy to say that several Ministers of our local Protestant Churches are woman and they support abortion. I have to say none of these pastors and their parishioners have partnered with our priests in our prayers for the unborn.

The Lord be with you!

54 posted on 04/04/2009 8:31:44 PM PDT by francky (Pro Life!)
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To: Marie2
But I do think that the Catholic church does not discipline its members effectively, if at all.

I believe it's because they need the numbers - if they offend anyone they may leave. And that's totally against God's Word - we are to please God and obey His Word first and foremost and not be man pleaders. Teaching them that correction is not condemnation might be a good start.
73 posted on 04/04/2009 9:23:18 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Marie2

So the Catholic Church doesn’t discipline its members effectively, or at all, according to you?

Interesting.

After reading your post, no offense of course, just like your no offense to Catholics and the crap you posted, you make no sense and are seriously a part of our problem.

This post by you told me all I needed to know, and not in a good way. So, thanks. What a “good” Christian you are. Heh.


115 posted on 04/05/2009 12:28:26 AM PDT by Twink
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To: Marie2

“Witness the large numbers of Catholic legislators advocating abortion, voting for abortion, etc., yet kept on as members in good standing in the Catholic church.

Witness Catholic universities inviting rabid pro-abortion and other immoral speakers for commencement, etc. Not only are the speakers allowed, the inviters aren’t disciplined.

Witness the fact that as a new Christian I wandered into several Catholic churches and partook of mass with no understanding of what on earth I was doing. No one questioned me, asked me where I was from, anything. I was just served”

Witness the Christian faith posted here. Oh wait. You can’t because it ain’t there. Guess you ain’t a Witness for the Faith you profess and the Church you trash is just too easy. Jesus would be proud, rme.

So in your Church, eveyone is perfect? Right? No one commits any sin at all, ever? Good to know. They must be perfect, as are you of course.

Thanks. Eye opening post and thread.


117 posted on 04/05/2009 12:54:18 AM PDT by Twink
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