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Posted on 04/05/2009 4:11:27 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
It is not what I think, It is what the Bible says word for word.
If you have a different theory, prove it.
You need to be born again.
I don’t have a theory. The Bible says to believe and be baptized. Belief comes first.
Where does the Bible say that?
MY Greek Bible says "Born from above", Oh that right you already knew that since I already proved that to you.
Did you efven Bother to read the expalantion before shooting from the hip?
And the verse i showed you shows nothing about belief..
That makes it 1 All and since both verse mention Baptism, i have the advantage.
You have no advantage at all, verga. When you get to the gates of Heaven and God says depart from me, I never knew you (because of baptism saving you), then I will have the advantage. Is that what you really want?
Don’t be too arrogant, verga. Baptism is NOT what saves you. Your faith in Jesus does.
Did you read what I sxent you on the borna gain error or not?
I also noiticed that you never responded to fatheroffive, when he asked you the same thing.
The plain things are the main things, the main things are the plain things. What does the plain text read?
Quit giving this opportunist more credit than he deserves. The truth of the matter is painfully obvious: he wants to be president. The conventional wisdom is now that Obama has a “Catholic problem”, and suddenly Newt’s converting. during the Bush admin he was seen working for health care with Hillary & support environmental issues with Gore. All of a sudden, he’s done a 180. IT’S ALL JUST POLITICS.
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Born “from Above” Vs. “Again The Greek word Anothon occurs exactly 12 times in 12 verses in the New Testament.
The four words we are concerned with are Anothon which the Catholics contend means “From above” and the Fundies contend means again. The second word is Apanow, which means above/ over The third word is Palon- that really does mean again and Deuteron that means secondly.
If the protestants are correct when we look at each of these verses we should be able to substitute either word and have it make perfect sense. I have included several verses that use the word Palon to document the common use of that word. You will also notice that in John 3:4 that Nicodemus does not use either Palon or Anothon, but rather Deuteron, meaning secondly or second.
Matt 27:50 50 30 But Jesus cried out again (Palon) in a loud voice, and gave up his spirit.
Matt 27:51 51And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (Anthon) to bottom. 31 The earth quaked, rocks were split,
Mark 15:38 16 The veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (above anthon) to bottom. Luke 1:3 I too have decided, after investigating everything accurately anew (From their source anthon), to write it down in an orderly sequence for you, most excellent Theophilus,
John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born 3 from above (Anthon).”
John 3: 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again (duetron secondly)? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?
” John 3:31 15 The one who comes from above (Anthon) is above (Anthon) all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all).
John 19:11 Jesus answered (him), “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above (Anthon). For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.
” John 19:23 When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier. They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top (Anthon) down.
Acts 26:5 They have known about me from the start (Anthon) From the first), if they are willing to testify, that I have lived my life as a Pharisee, the strictest party of our religion.
Galatians 4:9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again (Palon) Untranslated word Anthon (anew) to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again (Palon)?
James 1: 17 all good giving and every perfect gift 9 is from above (Anthon), coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change.
James 3: 15 Wisdom of this kind does not come down from above (Anthon) but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic.
James 3: 17 But the wisdom from above (Anthon) is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, without inconstancy or insincerity. All 12 verses with the Greek Translation
Matt 27:50 But Jesus cried out again (Palon) in a loud voice, and gave up his spirit. Mat 27:50 o de ihsouv palin kraxav fwnh megalh afhken to pneuma
Matt 27:51 And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (Anothon) to bottom. 31 The earth quaked, rocks were split, Mat 27:51 kai idou to katapetasma tou naou esxisqh ap eiv duo apo anwqen ewv katw eiv duo kai h gh eseisqh kai ai petrai esxisqhsan
Mark 15:38 16 The veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (above Anothon) to bottom. Mar 15:38 kai to katapetasma tou naou esxisqh eiv duo ap apo anwqen ewv katw
Luke 1:3 I too have decided, after investigating everything accurately anew (From their source Anothon), to write it down in an orderly sequence for you, most excellent Theophilus, Luk 1:3 edoxe edoxen kamoi parhkolouqhkoti anwqen pasin akribwv kaqexhv soi grayai kratiste qeofile
John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above (Anothon).” Joh 3:3 apekriqh o ihsouv kai eipen autw amhn amhn legw soi ean mh tiv gennhqh anwqen ou dunatai idein thn basileian tou qeou
John 3: 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again (duetron secondly)? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?” John 3:31 15 The one who comes from above (Anothon) is above (Apanow) all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all). John 19:11 Jesus answered (him), “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above (Anothon). For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.” Joh 19:11 apekriqh autw o ihsouv ouk eixev exousian oudemian kat emou oudemian ei mh hn soi dedomenon soi anwqen dia touto o paradouv paradidouv me soi meizona amartian exei
John 19:23 When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier. They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top (Anothon) down. Joh 19:23 oi oun stratiwtai ote estaurwsan ton ihsoun elabon ta imatia autou kai epoihsan tessara merh ekastw stratiwth merov kai ton xitwna hn de o xitwn arafov arrafov ek twn anwqen ufantov di olou
Acts 26:5 They have known about me from the start (Anothon, From the first), if they are willing to testify, that I have lived my life as a Pharisee, the strictest party of our religion. Act 26:5 proginwskontev me anwqen ean qelwsi qelwsin marturein oti kata thn akribestathn airesin thv hmeterav qrhskeiav ezhsa farisaiov
Galatians 4:9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again (Palon) Untranslated word Anothon (anew) to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again (Palon)? Gal 4:9 nun de gnontev qeon mallon de gnwsqentev upo qeou pwv epistrefete palin epi ta asqenh kai ptwxa stoixeia oiv palin anwqen douleuein qelete
James 1:17 all good giving and every perfect gift is from above (Anothon), coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change. Jas 1:17 pasa dosiv agaqh kai pan dwrhma teleion anwqen estin katabainon apo tou patrov twn fwtwn par w ouk eni parallagh h trophv aposkiasma
James 3:15 Wisdom of this kind does not come down from above (Anothon) but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. Jas 3:15 ouk estin auth h sofia anwqen katerxomenh alla all epigeiov yuxikh daimoniwdhv
James 3:17 But the wisdom from above (Anothon) is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, without inconstancy or insincerity. Jas 3:17 h de anwqen sofia prwton men agnh estin epeita eirhnikh epieikhv eupeiqhv mesth eleouv kai karpwn agaqwn adiakritov kai anupokritov
Conclusion: The only reasonable definition of the word “Anthon” is “From above/ from the source or beginning”, There is a perfectly good word for “again” but, neither Nicodemus, or Jesus use that word, instead Nicodemus uses Deuteron. As pointed out by Maggie and several others Nicodemus apparent confusion results from Jesus’ use of the word “Born” not “From above” Anothon Verga
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