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To: Diamond; DouglasKC
You will never find the Sabbath commanded for Christian observance in the New Testament for the simple reason that the Sabbath was THE sign of the Old Covenant, incorporated into the Covenant document, the Ten Commandments, and we are no longer under the jurisdiction of that Covenant document. It was abolished and superseded by the New Covenant. You cannot undo the New Covenant that Christ ratified by his blood.

Then.....please explain this: [1 John 2:3-7] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Is John not including the fourth commandment here?

Here is the bible definition of Sin. [1 John 3:4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

But you say....this law was done away with. How do you square that? Are we all now sinless because there is no longer a law?

[1 John 5:2-3] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Again.....does John differentiate....does he exclude the fourth commandment? Or.....is John speaking of something else? If that is the case.....would you explain to me what it is that John refers to?

John, Peter, Paul and all the Apostles continued celebrating God's Sabbaths and Feast days. You cannot show one instance in the New Testament where the Sabbath or the Annual Feast Days were done away. On the other hand, I have just given you scriptural references showing John's support and encouragement for us to continue obeying the commandments. I can also give you scriptures showing observances of the Feast Days.

Who are you kidding?

You will never find the Sabbath commanded for Christian observance in the New Testament.......

How about........?: [Luke 23:56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

These women and the Apostles had all spent over three years listening everyday to Our Lord expounding on all matters of this world....and the next. Do you not think He might have mentioned to them....something as important as the abolition of the Ten Commandments....after His sacrifice. He told them continually what was going to happen. Don't you think He might have just thought they ought to know the commandments and the law would then be abolished.

Of course not. This new theology was left to Satan and the devices of man made councils, synods and creeds.

1,124 posted on 05/28/2009 8:53:08 AM PDT by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the rock!)
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To: Diego1618
Is John not including the fourth commandment here?

Did you not read my answer to this in 1,116?

But you say....this law was done away with. How do you square that? Are we all now sinless because there is no longer a law?

Paul said it was done away with, not just me. It's hard for me to believe after all these posts that you still do not understand what is being stated. We are under the law of Christ now, not the law of Moses. The Tablets of Stone as a Covenant document have been done away with.

Again.....does John differentiate....does he exclude the fourth commandment? Or.....is John speaking of something else? If that is the case.....would you explain to me what it is that John refers to?

I have explained this numerous times already. Read #1,116. I asked you critical questions concerning the historical beginning and ending of the law of the Old Covenant that you have not answered. I also asked you, does God have any other commandments besides the Ten? You did not answer it. I asked you, where is the word, 'ten' in these passages from John? You did not answer the question. In the post to which you are replying here I told you that there are probably around a thousand commands in the New Testament. What about that do you not understand that you ask me here what it is that John refers to?

John, Peter, Paul and all the Apostles continued celebrating God's Sabbaths and Feast days.

Prove it. I have read this entire thread, and you have been refuted on every New Testament passage that you have put forward to support that assertion.

You cannot show one instance in the New Testament where the Sabbath or the Annual Feast Days were done away.

I gave you a list of Scriptures in 1,116 that incontrovertibly prove that fact. I add to that list the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly observances of Colossians 2:14-17, and the Scriptural statement about the termination of the Old Covenant law in Romans 1:1-7.

On the other hand, I have just given you scriptural references showing John's support and encouragement for us to continue obeying the commandments.

The commandments of the New Covenant, certainly, and just as certainly, NOT those as under the Old Covenant.

I can also give you scriptures showing observances of the Feast Days.

Who are you kidding?

No one. And no you can't. They aren't there.

How about........?: [Luke 23:56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

These women and the Apostles had all spent over three years listening everyday to Our Lord expounding on all matters of this world....and the next. Do you not think He might have mentioned to them....something as important as the abolition of the Ten Commandments....after His sacrifice. He told them continually what was going to happen. Don't you think He might have just thought they ought to know the commandments and the law would then be abolished.

That is pathetic. The woman were Jews, as was Jesus, who lived UNDER THE LAW of the Old Covenant prior to the inauguration of the Church at Pentecost. And the Apostolic writings I have referred to state the very thing you deny. I also answered this type of objection in #1,116:

Jesus was born under and lived under the law so that he could fulfill it. Otherwise he could not have been the Messiah. If we must follow the example of Jesus in all things like keeping the Sabbath, then do you follow the example of Jesus in keeping circumcision?
Why don't you answer that, for starters?

And why do you try to build up the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile that Christ tore down?

Cordially,

1,125 posted on 05/28/2009 11:59:35 AM PDT by Diamond
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