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Rock and Roll Sound of Music or Noise of War
http://www.av1611.org/rock/rock_noise.html ^ | Bill Fortenberry

Posted on 04/16/2009 12:49:06 PM PDT by marbren

As Joshua and Moses returned down the mountain after receiving the Law from God, they heard what at first they thought was the noise of war; but as they hurried closer, they recognized that the people were singing rather than fighting. Nonetheless, their song soon proved to be the sound of war as three thousand men of Israel lost their lives in punishment. The church of today faces a similar situation. With the prevalence of rock music in Christian services, those approaching the average church house will often find themselves wondering if the noise that they hear is that of war against God or music praising God. It is a question well worth pondering; for although we sing to a God who inhabits the praise of His people, we also sing to a God who executeth judgment upon all. Let us determine then in which category God Himself would place rock music. Would He consider it to be the sound of music or the noise of war?

http://www.av1611.org/rock/rock_noise.html

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1 posted on 04/16/2009 12:49:07 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

“Make a joyful noise unto the Lord”


2 posted on 04/16/2009 12:50:20 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: marbren

It’s all Elvis’ fault


3 posted on 04/16/2009 12:51:30 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: marbren

Comments? First one that came into my head...

Just let me hear some of that rock and roll music,
Any old way you choose it.
It’s got a back beat, you can’t blues it,
Any old time you use it.
It’s gotta be rock and roll music,
If you wanna dance with me.

Far as the Lord is concerned I think it’s on a song by song basis, not just a genre as a whole personally.


4 posted on 04/16/2009 12:55:23 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Domandred
What about the back beat emphasis of rock? Is it true?
5 posted on 04/16/2009 12:57:55 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre,

4 praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute,

5 praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.

Psalm 150

I'm not a Bible scholar. I say make a joyful noise.

I think it does no good to favor one style of music over another in the church.

Mahalia Jackson and traditional are great. And IN MY OPINION so are Take6 and the J Moss- Kirk Franklin circles.

6 posted on 04/16/2009 1:00:18 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: Lurker

My 13-year old listens to something that is basically screaming/yelling. Sounds like some of that Nazi-punk crap “music”. And it is Christian. (I guess!? At least it has Christian lyrics!). I joke with him about it - I can’t understand most of the words, but I imagine lyrics like “God is my Good Shepherd” lose their meaning when you yell them out at the top of your lungs in a gutteral primal scream!

Most of the stuff he listens to is pretty good though. He even has his old man listening to some of his Christian rock and roll.


7 posted on 04/16/2009 1:00:42 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: marbren

One more wack-job working hard to give Chrstianity a bad name.


8 posted on 04/16/2009 1:00:47 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot

I am not sure this article is correct or God pleasing. I am just asking the question.


9 posted on 04/16/2009 1:02:10 PM PDT by marbren
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To: Lurker

>“Make a joyful noise unto the Lord”

Says nothing about being even technically correct (On Key, on tempo, etc)... In all, it is a invitation to make any kind of music/noise as praise. (That includes even what you wouldn’t consider music, such as rap, death-metal, etc.)


10 posted on 04/16/2009 1:02:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
The article says nature has a rhythm. Is this true?
11 posted on 04/16/2009 1:04:46 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren
I know what you mean. In the mind of someone who wants to believe it, sex could be heard on the backbeat.

On the other hand "Lucille" by Little Richard sounds like a train on the tracks to me.

And of course you are all aware of the word "jazz" and what that was supposed to have meant.

12 posted on 04/16/2009 1:06:34 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: marbren

Not sure, it is an interesting article though. Gave it a full scan. Some of the studies they talked about would like to see what songs they used. I can think of a lot of rock songs that are just...well noise. Can also think of a lot that aren’t and to me do seem musical, enjoyable, bring happiness, etc etc.

Maybe it’s that I don’t understand music enough (haven’t really studied it, just listen to it) to understand what rock music really is. As mentioned in the article maybe some of the songs I understand to be rock music, aren’t really “rock” music by the definition presented.


13 posted on 04/16/2009 1:06:51 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Hatteras

Jesus always favored pipe organs.

I didn’t think Joshua was up on the mountain.


14 posted on 04/16/2009 1:09:47 PM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Domandred

The back beat emphasis seems to be key in article.


15 posted on 04/16/2009 1:09:49 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren
These rhythms both have a naturally occurring emphasis on the first beat which is often referred to as the downbeat. 4/4 time also has a secondary emphasis on the third beat.

Where in the Bible does it say that music has a "naturally" occurring emphasis on the first beat and a secondary emphasis on the third beat?

The emphasis is placed by the person writing the music, and it is placed on the beat which THEY choose.

And stating that there are no "back-beats" in the rythmic sounds of nature is ridiculous. All one has to do is "phase shift" the "beat" of the naturally recurring sound one as decided is in 4/4 time by ONE beat and suddenly it does have a "back-beat" (i.e. the "emphasis" which was on the first beat is now on 2nd beat , which was the first beat prior to the phase shift). The beat emphasis of a naturally recurring series of sounds depends entirely on which part of the sound one defines as the "start". The person who wrote that article is pretty clearly someone who hates a certain kind of music and is trying to twist religious interpretations "prove" it comes form "the devil". I call people like this charlatans, crack-pots or, as I did previously, wackos.

16 posted on 04/16/2009 1:13:54 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: marbren
I was at a concert as a kid when Duke Ellington instructed the audience to snap their fingers on the backbeat (2 and 4). He said snapping on 1 and 3 was considered "aggressive".

What an elegant answer.

17 posted on 04/16/2009 1:14:07 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: WayneS

It’s got a back beat, you can’t blues it,


18 posted on 04/16/2009 1:17:45 PM PDT by marbren
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To: WayneS

Agreed. I always practice piano with a click that I hear as being on ‘2 and 4’ (or insert an imaginary 8th note rest before the first click ) rather than on ‘1 and 3’.


19 posted on 04/16/2009 1:19:46 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: mbarker12474
Some of the most God-fearing folks I've encountered are in the long-haired and tatoo'd crowd that plays loud, hard, Christian rock and metal and screamo. These dudes take the Bible seriously and love Jesus, and declare their love of Christ from the stage to the teenagers who attend their events. Then they hop into a 15 passenger van with four smelly musicians, and a wife or two, and a sound guy, and tow their trailor of gear to the next gig five states away.

Blessings to these musicians. They are reaching teenagers in ways that the youth group at your church (if you even have one) is not.

By the way... if you are in the southern Maryland area, please pray for and check out the SevenThirty Club, which offers this music and witness for area teenagers. I've seen 40 teenagers on their knees, giving their lives to Christ, at events at this club. The 7:30 Club is in Mechanicsville MD.

20 posted on 04/16/2009 1:21:01 PM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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