Posted on 05/02/2009 9:29:20 AM PDT by Terriergal
So church and God should consist of “entertainment?” to keep the little kiddies awake? Don’t think so. We have thousands of believers on this site that never got anything close to entertainment. However, that is one of the things wrong with the world today, your kind of thinking
The Catholic church is not infallible. If you believe that, I’ve got an indulgence to sell you.
Indulgences aren’t for sale.
Historical instances of abject corruption in the Vatican refute any such claim. No creation of man is infallible, not Catholic, not Protestant, none of them.
These are the filings of people within the Church, not the Church herself. She is still here. 6B strong & growing.
We’re all fallen and find salvation only through the grace of God, and those who repent and accept that salvation consitute the Church.
Correct as far as it goes. Those who accept the gift of God’s grace constitute the Body of Christ, but not neccessarily the Church. Salvation is not once & done, it requires lifelong diligence. Salvation is the final reward and is also a gift (like Grace) that cannot be earned or deserved.
This even applies to the Pope
The Holy Father would agree with you here, which is why he confesses his sins every week.
The Pope is infallible when speaking Ex Cathedra (from the Chair) on matters of faith and morals. His teaching authority is combined with the Magisterium acting with the Holy Spirit. No other religion can claim this, otherwise all protestant denominations would interpret and teach the same things concerning scripture, and you and I both know they don’t.
As I said before, Jesus didn’t say that everyone in the Church would be Saints, he said the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Name another religous institution that has lasted till now from the time of Christ. There is only one.
It really isn’t which will highlight the doctrine of election, for these people were witnesses at Sinai and fell away, if you can imagine that. The same is true of people that heard Christ preach, and went away. They were never believers to begin with, for none may come, except the Father call him
Its truthful.
Pride and vainglory are two vices that so far, by the Grace of God, I don’t suffer from. I have others that are crosses in themselves that I struggle with daily. If I didn’t avail myself of the Sacrament of Reconciliation once a month or so, I’d really be a mess.
Don’t you mean you (or your pastor’s) interpretation of God’s word? I for one am glad I belong to the Church that teaches with authority and I don’t have to worry about interpreting God’s word for myself.
I encourage you to familiarize yourself with Marcus Grodi of the Coming Home Network. His Catholic Conversion witness is about as powerful as they come, and, at its root, its about authority.
“The Catholic church is not infallible.”
Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to guide His Church into all truth. The Holy Spirit teaches the Church “all things,” bringing to mind everything that Christ first taught His apostles (cf. Jn. 14:26). That is why Jesus can say, regarding His apostles and their bishop successors, “He who receives you receives me” (Mt. 10:40). Chosen by Christ, they exercise the Church’s Magisterium or teaching office. Christ sends His apostles and their successors as the Father sent Him-with “all authority in heaven and on earth” (Mt. 28:18).
To provide a sure source of teaching and to maintain unity in the Church, Christ established the papacy with supreme authority in the Church. The Pope’s office is one of succession from Peter and is marked by the authority of “the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (cf. Mt. 16:18-19; Is. 22:15-25). As the Second Vatican Council reminds us, “the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church, has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered” (Lumen Gentium, no. 22). Thus, only in union with the Pope does the college or body of bishops have supreme and full authority over the universal Church (ibid.).
Jesus did not leave His people vulnerable to the doctrinal whims of competing leaders. Rather, He built the Church on the solid foundation of the apostles (cf. Eph. 2:19-20). He gave the Church His Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, to enable her to be “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15). Despite the cultural winds that have blown through the ages, the faithful have always had a visible, easily identifiable magisterial “rock” on which they could safely stand in all seasons. As the Catechism provides, quoting Vatican II:
“The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living, teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ” [Dei Verbum, no. 10]. This means that the task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome (no. 85, emphasis added).
Jesus declared that the gates of hell would never prevail against His Church (cf. Mt. 16:18-19). This protection from evil includes protecting the Magisterium from teaching error. Regardless of who the Pope and bishops in union with him may be at a particular time in Church history, the faithful have Christ’s Word that the Holy Spirit will guide His Magisterium in preserving and teaching the truth.
http://www.cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=149
How committed to the conservative cause can we possibly be when we jump to believe a liberal reporter from an avowed liberal rag, completely trashing another conservative?
Liberals must surely be laughing their sides off when we are so free to attack one another when they cobble together a "statement" from another conservative.
There is absolutely NO HOPE at all for conservatives when they will jump at the change to believe something bad about one of their own rather than suspect a liberal who completely disdains us anyway.
“I’d say Christianity has Catholicism beat by a couple of centuries”
Are you saying Catholics aren’t Christians? :)
Good points.
I’m saying that the whole predates the subset, retroactive claims of membership aside.
BTW, the other religions you stated aren’t Christians. Irish Druids were/are Pagans.
OP didn’t specifiy Christian, merely religious.
Land needs to retire and shut up. Any married man with children can take care of his family but when he advocates the murder of the unborn and the elderly, theres something totally IMMORAL about that man.
Oh I agree, see some of my later posts and that of another.
Conservatives seem easy to manipulate.
No, its hateful to say every church that doesn’t meet your personal standard is of the devil.
There is only one standard, Gods Word.
I believe OP meant Christian religions and perhaps you didn’t mean Catholics weren’t Christian or did you?
Back to my previous reply, the whole (Chrisitanity) predates the subset (Catholicism). A subset of the whole is a part of that whole.
Let’s clear up my earlier question first. Do you believe that Catholics aren’t Christian?
Well, to be fair, the Obamas do not have a messed-up marriage, unlike President and Secretary Clinton. Their politics, of course, are an entirely separate matter.
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