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To: papertyger
...has doctrine that is diametrically opposed to scripture,... Such as?

I could list 500 hundred, I suppose.... but let's just stick with the biggie.

The Catholic Church gives adoration and honor to Mary that is simply not scriptural. She has been called "The Mother of God" and has also been referred to as a Co-Redemptrix and this has caused many folks to erroneously make her an a object of idolatrous worship.

Pope Pius XI said in 1923 that Mary had indeed suffered along with Christ....and that with Him had redeemed the entire human race. Pope Pius XII designated her as the Queen of Heaven. Your theology states that she was free from sin.....from conception....even as Our Lord had been. It is further stated that Mary was incapable of sinning and was a perpetual virgin. Your doctrines also state that she is to be venerated and anyone who does not do this is committing a mortal sin. The Church insists that as He came to us from her.....we must go through her to Him.

Everything I have here mentioned is totally against scripture and has led to idolatry on the part of many of your membership. To say this isn't so is to deny reality.

...has repeatedly preferred tradition over scripture,... which is wrong because...?

This is an obvious one. If tradition contradicts the Word of God it is wrong.....period!

...and probably has the fewest adherents percentage wise in your faith that actually read scripture..... as opposed to those who use the scripture as a cudgel...?

Well....you may call the use of scripture a cudgel if you desire. I prefer to call it "Using the Word of God". Catholics are not known to be students of the scriptures. This is a well known fact. It is exemplified on these very threads. Instead of answering from scripture passages we (the opposition) generally get "No we don't" or "that's not true" or "your private interpretation does not measure up" or something just as silly with no scriptural foundation in fact.

The Catholic Church teaches that all tradition and bible interpretation by them.... is the final seat of authority. Our Lord himself disdained traditions of mankind, saying "You nullify the Word of God by your traditions." This is what the Catholic Church does every day. They nullify the Word of God.

I'll end this post the way many of your faith sometimes do to me......look "em" all up....there in there.

291 posted on 05/03/2009 8:58:07 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
The Catholic Church gives adoration and honor to Mary that is simply not scriptural.

Sola scriptura is simply not scriptural.

292 posted on 05/03/2009 8:59:08 PM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
The Church insists that as He came to us from her.....we must go through her to Him.

Must? Nope. False.

293 posted on 05/03/2009 9:00:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
...Co-Redemptrix...

Not a teaching of the Catholic Church.

294 posted on 05/03/2009 9:02:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
The Catholic Church gives adoration and honor to Mary that is simply not scriptural.

So now silence is "diametric" opposition?

295 posted on 05/03/2009 9:02:07 PM PDT by papertyger (Advertising makes journalism an assault weapon.)
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To: Diego1618
Everything I have here mentioned is totally against scripture and has led to idolatry on the part of many of your membership.

This isn't so.

To say this isn't so is to deny reality.

Uh, no. To say this isn't so is to deny the unreality of your own personal interpretation of Scripture.

296 posted on 05/03/2009 9:04:36 PM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
...and this has caused many folks to erroneously make her an a object of idolatrous worship.

So what has preserved every protestant from erroneously making the bible an object of worship?

297 posted on 05/03/2009 9:05:19 PM PDT by papertyger (Advertising makes journalism an assault weapon.)
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To: Diego1618
If tradition contradicts the Word of God it is wrong.....period!

No Holy Tradition of the Catholic Church contradicts the Word of God, so all is well....exclamation point!

298 posted on 05/03/2009 9:06:00 PM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
The Catholic Church teaches that all tradition and bible interpretation by them.... is the final seat of authority.

Just as God wills it.

Our Lord himself disdained traditions of mankind, saying "You nullify the Word of God by your traditions."

Our Lord Himself disdained traditions of those He addressed when He said that.

This is what the Catholic Church does every day. They nullify the Word of God.

None of the Holy Traditions of the Church founded by Christ can or do nullify the Word of God. The suggestion is absurd on its face. Christ IS the Word.

299 posted on 05/03/2009 9:09:33 PM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
Everything I have here mentioned is totally against scripture and has led to idolatry on the part of many of your membership. To say this isn't so is to deny reality.

You are not the arbiter of what defines reality.

This is an obvious one. If tradition contradicts the Word of God it is wrong.....period!

If the contradictions are so obvious, show me one!

This is what you don't get...many "Traditions" ARE the Word of God!

Catholics are not known to be students of the scriptures. This is a well known fact. It is exemplified on these very threads. Instead of answering from scripture passages we (the opposition) generally get "No we don't" or "that's not true" or "your private interpretation does not measure up" or something just as silly with no scriptural foundation in fact.

In your arrogance you ignore Catholics like me who came from the opposition and know Scripture quite well.

Often you don't get Scripture in response because you can not tell the difference between scripture and your interpretation of Scripture...as I already pointed out with regard to the Blessed Virgin.

Add to that the way you can ignore "this is my body" but shout from the rooftops"you must be born again" when there is MORE scripture for the former than the latter; is it any wonder we can't talk scripture with you?

302 posted on 05/03/2009 9:28:23 PM PDT by papertyger (Advertising makes journalism an assault weapon.)
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