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Galileo: The Trump Card of Catholic Urban Legends
Pittsburgh Catholic ^ | 5/15/09 | Robert P. Lockwood

Posted on 05/18/2009 9:12:37 PM PDT by bdeaner

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To: Antoninus
It really is hard to get worked up over the fate of Bruno considering where we are today.

Not worked up, thankful. Thankful that the church does not have the ability to charge people for religious crimes any longer.

101 posted on 05/19/2009 9:04:46 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: DesertRhino
That* is the point. Who in the hell is the Pope to have anybody ARRESTED?

Read the history of that age. The Pope was also the King of the Papal States. They weren't strictly religious figures in those days. They were also monarchs like any other (some good some bad). They had all the powers that other Kings in Europe had over their territories. As such, yes, the Pope could have people arrested.

102 posted on 05/19/2009 9:05:10 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Scientists knew that if the Corperican model were correct, that they would observe a parallax effect when viewing stars, yet they did not. Why was that?

Bad instruments was what I've always thought.

103 posted on 05/19/2009 9:29:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: bdeaner

I was taught as a child that Galileo said that the Earth and other planets revolved around the Sun...

Making the Sun the center of the Universe...

Since the Catholic Church taught that the Earth was the center of the Universe, Galileo was ordered to recant his scientific beliefs...

When he would not he was excommunicated...


104 posted on 05/19/2009 9:32:42 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: bdeaner; dr_lew

Aristotle was not a pagan!
____________________________________

Well, Aristotle was not a Jew, and he lived 300 years before Christianity...

So what would you call him ???


105 posted on 05/19/2009 9:35:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

TN:

That is an amazing over-simplification.

It’s quite remarkable. At my seminary a renowned NT professor went off on how the Church thought and taught the world was flat, when Dante and Chaucer alone suffice to show that’s just not so.

IOW, a lot of anti-Catholicism combined with intellectual laziness led to some severe errors in teaching the history of Galileo and other thought of the so-called “Dark Ages”.


106 posted on 05/19/2009 10:06:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

MD, the distance to some of the closest stars is 500,000 times the distance to the Sun. at the time, they never imagined the stars could be so distant. It never occurred to anyone.

So parallax could not be observed until much later, with more powerful and accurate telescopes. And yet, 400 years later, most of these mouthy people still know nothing about planetary physics, even with all the advantages of modern science.

they really aren’t interested in science.


107 posted on 05/19/2009 10:07:43 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: Tennessee Nana

A non-Judeo-Christian monotheist?


108 posted on 05/19/2009 10:14:29 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: DesertRhino

if the agenda is to do more population planning (abortion clinics in Africa) and the major obstacle is the Catholic Church, then it is logical to continue the propaganda against the Church.

After all, they are “trying to save the planet!” I doubt the anti-Church posters here are pro-aborts, but you never know.


109 posted on 05/19/2009 10:25:57 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: dr_lew; bdeaner

What Bruno proclaimed was heresy: a belief contrary to the authentic Catholic belief, yet promulgated as if it were genuinely Catholic belief, with authority of a priest.

He had multiple opportunities to recant during his trial; he maintained, however, that the core of his philosophical and theological views was Catholic.

The trial of Bruno has nothing to do with science; it was a trial of a provable heretic for heresy. That the civil authority would punish heretics at a stake is unfortunate, but the Church cannot be asked to condone fraud.


110 posted on 05/19/2009 10:38:46 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Yeah. I was trying to figure out what would be the angles of an isosceles triangle 186,000,000 miles across the base and 4 light years along the two equal sides.

My conclusion, unencumbered by the thought process: That’s a mighty small angle.


111 posted on 05/19/2009 10:39:40 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
When he would not he was excommunicated...

He was never excommunicated. His punishment was pennance and house arrest, in a very villa where he continued his scientifc work and writing until his death nine years later at the ripe old age of 77.

112 posted on 05/19/2009 10:40:00 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: annalex
The current Episcopal Bishop of LA, Jon Bruno, with whom I was in seminary, claims to descend from that Bruno.

Does heresy run in families?

113 posted on 05/19/2009 10:44:53 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Some words of Jesus can be interpreted that way. The brood of vipers, and such.


114 posted on 05/19/2009 10:46:42 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I was taught as a child...

A biased if not false set of facts about Galileo.

115 posted on 05/19/2009 10:47:00 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: GunRunner
the church does not have the ability to charge people for religious crimes any longer.

Sure she can. The Church has canon laws and defined dogmas and violations of either can be adjudicated now as it always has been. Which is a very good thing.

116 posted on 05/19/2009 11:13:40 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Sure she can. The Church has canon laws and defined dogmas and violations of either can be adjudicated now as it always has been. Which is a very good thing.

Adjudicated in what manner? Who falls under their jurisdiction?

117 posted on 05/19/2009 11:18:09 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

Depending on the issue, different legal venues exist, including the Congregation of the Doctrines of the Faith, wich is formerly known as the Holy Inquisition.

Any Catholic is subject to canon laws.


118 posted on 05/19/2009 12:28:17 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
These are guidelines of membership for a private organization. There are no legally binding punishments that the church can hand down that have to be compulsorily followed or carried out by a state. That is a good thing.

If someone is excommunicated from the church and they still show up, they would be prosecuted under trespassing laws, not religious laws.

119 posted on 05/19/2009 12:34:19 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Mad Dawg

MadDawg, you’re a schmart guy. I guess we just hit your sweet spot. Church History - Planetary Physics - Politics. An unlikely trilogy.


120 posted on 05/19/2009 12:53:39 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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