HOW TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE

World Invisible ^ | 1913 | Rev. Martin Anstey B.D., M.A.

[Nabber]

Of course there are 2 different words.

And Christ inserts “thou are Peter” (his apostle’s name) clearly in the middle of the sentence which was handed down faithfully by the Apostles (and/or the scribes of the Apostles).

Deal with it.

[aruanan]

2. in the next breath Christ says “I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, etc.”

So you're saying "the kingdom of heaven" is synonymous with "the body of Christ"?

[trad_anglican]

When YHvH says He is the Rock and our salvation. Why do you dispute it.

I do not dispute that the stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone.

Why do you impugn YHvH with the Traditions of man ?

I do no such thing. How is it that you say that I do?

[Uri’el-2012]

XS> Why do you impugn YHvH with the Traditions of man ?

I do no such thing. How is it that you say that I do?

Do you claim that Peter is the Tsur(rock) on which the church is built ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[trad_anglican]

That sounds something like a key.

...those verses have always been poorly translated into English. The correct translation is ...

I take it that you do not agree with the main premise of the article in this post.

In the name of full disclosure, I do not agree with the main premise of the article in this post, and my main purpose in posting is to dispute that premise.

[Nabber]

I’m not saying that.

I think this gets into a very long discussion. Your explanation in your post #40 (B) is a good one. But to me, the “keys of the kingdom of heaven” interpretation is very analogous to the discussion of Jesus saying, “No one comes to the Father but through Me”. To sum, the truth about Jesus, and who He was, and what He said would be kept by His Apostles (with the “keys”), and that would be the way to Salvation.

[trad_anglican]

Do you claim that Peter is the Tsur(rock) on which the church is built ?

If you'll refer to my first post on this thread (#32) you'll see quite clearly what I claim.

I have also claimed that Jesus is the stone which the builders rejected and has become the chief cornerstone.

I have also claimed that the Word of God (in 1 Peter) refers to other Christians as living stones.

If you can show how any of these claims impugns Jesus with "the Traditions of man", then please do so.

Your exigetical post seems to me to refute the main premise of the article on this post. Do you agree or disagree with the main premise of the article on this post?

[Uri’el-2012]

Of course there are 2 different words.

And Christ inserts “thou are Peter” ....

Deal with it.

If you agree that they are two different words
and have two different meanings

Why do you conflate them ?

Yah'shua is the Rock i.e. rock of Israel. i.e. YHvH

Peter is a small stone just as are you and I.

You have been misled by eisegesis.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Uri’el-2012]

correct me if I am wrong.

but my reading of #32 was you stated that Peter is the ROCK.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[ShadowAce]

Do you claim that Peter is the Tsur(rock) on which the church is built ?

I don't.

I claim that Christ is the Rock on which the church is built.

[Uri’el-2012]

Yeah, you’re right, I’ve been misled...

(sheesh)

and you’re confused, and have spoken falsehoods in this thread.

Now if I understand you correctly,
the Holy Word of G-d are filled with falsehoods.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[xzins]

How to understand the bible:

“Literally = Literately”

[Uri’el-2012]

I claim that Christ is the Rock on which the church is built.

Thank you.

That is what is clearly stated in the Holy Word of Elohim.

Amen Brother.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Lurking Libertarian]

THE Bible is a plain, honest, straightforward, simple Book. It is easy to read and easy to understand. It needs no learned introduction, no expert scholarship to enable us to grasp its meaning

That's assuming you can read Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek...

[RobRoy]

>>Tell that to the Ethiopian eunuch.<<

That story is rather short. I’d need more background information on the eunuch and the reasons for his confusion.

[Nabber]

Christ of course IS the Rock as foretold.

Unfortunately, though, that is not what the verse in question says. Mind the context, boys.

Christ said, “thou art Peter” (the Apostle’s name Peter), and that He would build His church upon that rock.

Otherwise, he would have left out the phrase “thou art Peter”.

[RobRoy]

I’m with you. The Bible is the only book I know of where if it says “the sky is blue”, no small number of people can come up with all sorts of interpretations of what it “really” meant.

Heck, maybe it was an endorsement of blue helmeted UN soldiers. ;)

What do we suppose Jesus meant when he told the disciples to buy a sword?

[blue-duncan]

“THE Bible is a plain, honest, straightforward, simple Book. It is easy to read and easy to understand. It needs no learned introduction, no expert scholarship to enable us to grasp its meaning”

John 20:30-31, “And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”