Posted on 06/03/2009 12:00:38 PM PDT by blue-duncan
What other man-made god would do something like that?
People who judge the soul of othersshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
and call other FReepers liars
are violating the rules of the religion forum.i pray one day you seek the face of G-d and seek repentance.
Which Bible....THE Catholic Bible inspired by the Holy spirit and used for all times or a non catholic Bible in use for 4 centuries differentiated by a Man removing 7 books?? Just asking...
No offense but I suspect your full of it.
shalom b’SHEM Yah’shua HaMashiach whatever.
I wonder if the bible had a big heavy chain attached to it as well.
Run along, obnoxious n00b, you’re out of your league.
The problem with disagreeing with the part “upon this rock I will build my Church” is dual:
1. Peter’s name means “rock”; and
2. in the next breath Christ says “I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, etc.” : even if you believe the “rock” is Peter’s confession, Christ still goes on to give the keys to Peter (and/or the apostles, depending on your interpretation).
and I’m not RC (but I was schooled by nuns and Jesuits).
shalom b’SHEM Yah’shua HaMashiach whatever.
May YHvH bless you
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
May YHvH shine His Face on you
and be gracious to you
May YHvH lift His Face onto you
and give you his shalom.
Why Should I listen to someone from the hills of Tennessee?
shalom b’SHEM Yah’shua HaMashiach Whatever.
How could Peter's confession bind anything in heaven or earth? How could Peter's confession have keys to the kingdom given to it.?
Given the context, a plain reading indicates Peter, not his confession.
Matthew. 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this Rock I will build my church,shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
One method of Hermeneutical understanding of Matthew 16:18
is to do a word study of all the scriptures which were then known
as the Holy Word of G-d when Yah'shua spoke these words.
This will allow one to understand that all of the Holy Word of G-d
was inspired by YHvH; the whole counsel of G-d.
The only conclusion that one can come to unless you are
predisposed to believe in man's tradition over the Holy Word of G-d
is that Yah'shua was speaking of himself as the "Rock "
e.g.
Peter himself refers to Yah'shua as the "rock" in
Genesis 49:24 But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed
[Or archers will attack...will shoot...will remain...will stay] supple,
because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob,
because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
Deuteronomy 32:3 I will proclaim the name of the LORD. Oh, praise the greatness of our God!
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock , his works are perfect, and all his ways are
just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deuteronomy 32:15 ..... He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Saviour.
Deuteronomy 32:30 How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten
thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless
the LORD had given them up?
Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not like our Rock , as even our enemies concede
Deuteronomy 32:32 Their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah.
Their grapes are filled with poison, and their clusters with bitterness.
1 Samuel 2:2 "There is no-one holy [Or no Holy One] like the LORD;
there is no-one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.
2 Samuel 22:2 He said: "The LORD is my Rock , my fortress and my deliverer;
2 Samuel 22:3 my God is my Rock , in whom I take refuge, my shield and the
horn [Horn here symbolises strength.] of my salvation.
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my saviour — from violent men you save me.
2 Samuel 22:32 For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
2 Samuel 22:47 "The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock ! Exalted be God, the Rock , my Saviour!
2 Samuel 23:3 The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me:
'When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,
Psalm 18:31 For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
Psalm 18:46 The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock ! Exalted be God my Saviour!
Psalm 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
Psalm 42:9 I say to God my Rock , "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?"
Psalm 78:35 They remembered that God was their Rock , that God Most High was their Redeemer.
Psalm 89:26 He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Saviour.'
Psalm 92:15 ..... "YHvH is upright; he is my Rock , and there is no wickedness in him."
Psalm 95:1 Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.
Psalm 144:1 Praise be to the LORD my Rock , who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
Habakkuk 1:12 O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy
One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to
execute judgment; O Rock , you have ordained them to punish.
1 Peter 2:1-10NAsbU 1 Peter 2:
1 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
2 like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices
acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 For this is contained in Scripture: "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone,
AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve, "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,
THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone,"
8 and, "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word,
and to this doom they were also appointed.
9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION,
so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY,
but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.
And in Matthew 16:18, Christ refers to Peter as the rock on which He would build His Church.
Pope Peter I of the Catholic Church.
I take it you don't agree with the author of the article on this post when he says:
The principal qualification for the right understanding of the Bible is a pure heart, a simple faith, and an obedient will.
Or when he says:
It is not necessary to preface our study of the Bible with a course of Bible Introduction. The purpose for which the Bible was written, the purpose for which it ought to be read, may be accomplished without any knowledge of the conclusions of modern Biblical criticism as to the writers and the readers of the several books, the time when and the place where they were written, their simple or composite character, or the grounds on which they have been assigned a place in the sacred Canon.
Nice try. Christ is indeed a Rock as foretold in the OT.
Unfortunately for you, context is everything.
Christ said, “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my Church.”
If Christ had meant Himself, He would have said: (and the verse would have been recorded) “And I say to thee: upon this rock I will build my Church.”
But He didn’t; He inserted the words “That thou art Peter” in the middle of that sentence, and that makes all the difference.
I take the Holy Word of Elohim at face value.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachI do not twist it with eisegesis.
When YHvH says He is the Rock and our salvation.
Why do you dispute it.
Why do you impugn YHvH with the Traditions of man ?
If you were to review the Koine Greek textshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
not the derivative translation you would see that there are
two different words used in the Greek for Peter and the Rock.You have been misled by someone's eisegesis.
Peter also refers to the "elect who are sojourners of the Dispersion" in the same way in that same passage:
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
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