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To: P-Marlowe
I don't believe you do.

Please don't speak for me.

If you thought that, you would be in jail with Roeder.

No. There are a lot of people who believe that abortion is murder but who don't believe that it is on them to take unilateral vendetta action on murderers.

There are a lot of people who believe that murder of an adult is murder, but they don't go and perform vigilante justice for that either.

The analogue of what you suggest is for me to go out and unilaterally put a cap in every gang banger I run into...after all, many of them will commit murder at some point in their lives.

but if you really believed that abortion is equal to the killing of your own children, then no law on earth would stop you from making sure it did not happen again.

If I saw somebody who presented an immediate threat to my daughter, I would do what I need to do to prevent it from happening, that is true.

That doesn't mean that I would eliminate any potential threat to her before it had a chance to be manifested.

For example, if somebody she knew made a death threat against her, I would contact the police as well as go to court and petition for a restraining order. If I thought the threat was extremely credible and imminent, I would make sure that she presented the minimal target possible (for example, lie down in the back seat of the car so as not to be observed, don't go out in public, don't stand in front of a window, etc.). We might even go to the degree of disappearing.

However, the only way I would use lethal force is if somebody had a gun drawn on her, a knife at her neck, or the like.

And I would hope that you would have a similar reaction.

The difference between people like you and I and Tiller's killer is that you and I have a basic ethical framework from which to operate. I would submit that Tiller's Killer does not have that basic ethical framework. And likely he felt perfectly justified to pursue an illicit means to achieve what he believed to be a good end.

No matter what your rhetoric here, I don't believe that you have that twisted view of the world.

104 posted on 06/09/2009 5:41:13 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley
Please don't speak for me.

Your words speak for themselves.

Your posts are so nuanced that your real feelings are hidden not only from the readers, but I think they are hidden from you.

I don't believe you think that abortion is the same thing as someone killing your daughter. Your words belie that fact. You wouldn't be so nuanced about esoteric points of the law if you knew that tomorrow some guy was going to murder your daughter and the government refused to do anything to stop it and the only way to absolutely prevent that from happening was to take out the killer.

You and I would both do that in a heartbeat. We wouldn't worry about the various nuances of the legal theories of justifiable homicide, we'd kill the bastard and THEN worry about it.

So I can only conclude that since you neither share in Roeder's conviction or his jail cell that you don't believe your own words.

BTW are you a lawyer?

107 posted on 06/09/2009 5:50:57 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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