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To: agere_contra
" Calvin believed that people were predestined to be damned or saved. "

Help me out here. Didn't Luther believe this also?

(This is a question.)

5 posted on 06/12/2009 6:17:36 AM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: OKSooner
It depends on the type of predestination one refers to.

I recall that Luther subscribed to the Augustinian version, not very different from official Roman Catholic dogma.

Calvin believed in something called "Double Predestination". Bound up with that is the concept of irresistible grace.

A contrary protestant theology stressing free will, Armenianism, started in the early 16th Century.

Today, Baptists and even many Presbyterians tend to be more Armenian rather than Calvinist.

There are passages in the Bible that can be used to support either position. That's one reason that some authority is necessary to understand scripture (Acts 8:30-31) despite the thesis of this article that anyone can just pick up a Bible and become a Christian.

Back to predestination, perhaps one of the many Calvinists who post on these threads can enlighten us as to the concepts of the TULIP.

I find it interesting that reformed theology is enjoying such growth.

Calvin appears to be cool today!

10 posted on 06/12/2009 6:43:52 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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