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To: agere_contra; OKSooner; Alex Murphy
Calvin believed that people were predestined to be damned or saved....If Protestants have shrugged off those two incubuses, it only shows their good sense.

Er....so did Augustine...and Cyprian...

Now if you want to say that some of the greatest Church leaders didn't have good sense, well, then you have another problem.

53 posted on 06/12/2009 6:34:25 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

***Calvin believed that people were predestined to be damned or saved....If Protestants have shrugged off those two incubuses, it only shows their good sense.

Er....so did Augustine***

Can you document this? I am not aware of any double predestination theology advocated by Augustine.

Remember that Augustine’s closest definition of the elect were simply those who persevered until the end of their lives. Augustine was also a great point of contention between East and West; they have never accorded him the distinction of Father of the Church and Augustine’s followers were largely responsible for the lessening of the Patristic Church in the West.

Double predestination was condemned at the Council of Valance (530) and by the Council of Mainz (848). Are there certain individuals predestined to Heaven? There is Scriptural evidence. Are there certain individuals predestined to Hell? No Scriptural proofs exist.

***Now if you want to say that some of the greatest Church leaders didn’t have good sense, well, then you have another problem.***

There were several periods in Augustine’s life in which he showed poor sense such as the more than a decade in which he was a dedicated Manichean.


64 posted on 06/13/2009 5:13:25 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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