The New Missal - Historic Moment in Liturgical Renewal [Bishop Serratelli]

CatholicCulture.org ^ | 2009 | Bishop Arthur J. Serratelli, S.T.D., S.S.L., D.D

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**In September 2008, ICEL completed its work of offering a translation of the Missal for the English-speaking world. In the United States, bishops have yet to approve eleven Gray Books and forward them to the Holy See. [Ed. note: Votes on the remaining books will take place at the June and November 2009 USCCB meetings.]**

Time to contact our bishops and ask them to get this done -- and now!

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The New Missal - Historic Moment in Liturgical Renewal [Bishop Serratelli]
How the New Missal is Being Translated, and Why
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[ArrogantBustard]

Yeah, right.

Whatever.

They've been playing political football with this for years.

I'm from Missouri. Show me.

[Salvation]

Did you note when this supposedly all began? Vatican II???

You are so right. But I’m starting to believe that it really will be happening.

Our priest has told us that Pope Benedict has instructed them to start catechizing their parishes on this. Our priest did one a week or so ago — on the words “this sacrifice, yours and mine” after the presentation of the bread and wine. I’ll see if I can find it.

[Salvation]

A summary of some of the changes:

• First of all, Latin orations, especially the post-Communion orations, tend to conclude strongly with a teleological or eschatological point. The new translations in English follow the sequence of these Latin prayers in order to end on a strong note.

 

• Secondly, in the new translation, there is a deliberate attempt to pass on the biblical references imbedded in the Roman Rite.

 

• Thirdly, the new translations are careful to keep the allusions from patristic writings. Two examples will suffice to illustrate this. Ex pede Herculem!

 

• Fourth, the new translation respects the rich vocabulary of the Roman rite. The post-Communion prayers employ a variety of words such as nourished, fed, recreated, and made new. The collects use words such as: we pray, we beseech, we ask.

 

• Fifth, the Latin text is cast in concrete images and parallelism. The Latin uses anthropomorphic expressions that add a certain poetry to the prayers.

 

• Sixth, within the new translation, there is a concern for an exactness of vocabulary.

 

• Seventh, the Latin prayers are concise and noble in tone. When we frame our prayers in liturgy, the language of the street is not appropriate. The vocabulary of the person in the supermarket, in the gym or around the kitchen table should not be the standard for liturgical language.

 

 

[meandog]

Is this purely a RC discussion forum, or is it open? IOW, would a protestant fan of Vatican II be welcomed even if his hopes that a prayed-for Vatican III go above and beyond in ecumenical outreach?

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I am curious, what is "prayed-for Vatican III"? What kind of outreach would you like to see coming from the Vatican?

[afraidfortherepublic]

Personally, I wish that they’d settle on a missal and everybody would use it. When I was a young convert, we all carried our own missals to church — either a Sunday missal (rather thin) or a Daily missal (thick with about 10 colored ribbon book marks). Then, Vatican II came along and the Priests told us to discard our missals around 1966. We had nothing but what the individuals churches published and put in the pews.

Then came the cangeable missals and hymnal combos. I’ve moved around and different dioceses use different publishers. Even if you purchase a “permanent” St. Joseph’s missal, it doesn’t always match what they are reading from the pulpit.

My church has just announced that we will no longer have the changeable missals because they are too expensive. They change 4 times a year, and the shipping costs have become prohibitive. We are fumbling all over the place to find the words to the right hymn. I would prefer to purchase a “permanent” missal and the church provide ONE hymnal. We now have to search in 4 different publications for the right music and words because the cantor, or the organist, does not always announce where to find the hymn we are singing.

I guess this is a small matter in the great scheme of things, but I find it frustrating.

[IrishBrigade]

IOW, would a protestant fan of Vatican II be welcomed even if his hopes that a prayed-for Vatican III go above and beyond in ecumenical outreach...

...now who could possible imagine that a protestant would be a fan of VatII??? I mean, what a surprise...also, what would you think would be proper for “above and beyond” in ecumenism? Instead of being protestant lite like we are now, should we simply give it up and become Anglicans, once and for all, so that the Reformation’s goal of destroying
the Roman rite may be completed? just wondering, is all...

[meandog]

I am curious, what is "prayed-for Vatican III"? What kind of outreach would you like to see coming from the Vatican? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Well, where The Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican (Vatican II) is usually accepted around here with revulsion by the traditional RC crowd, some of us (Anglican and Episcopalians) though really see it as a Renaissance toward the establishment of a truly "catholic" side of the church. That means that there are true fans of Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, Pope John Paul I; (IMO, all saints) and even to Bishop Karol Wojtyła, who became Pope John Paul II, as he didn't seem all that enthusiastic about Vatican II but was nonetheless a charismatic personality that kept it going. However, the current holder of the Throne of St. Peter appears to be a definite Vatican II foe.

To me, personally, Vatican II allowed me to enjoy the most profound religious experience I have ever had in that I was able to experience a Crucio--which came out of Vatican II. I don't believe, though, they are still done as the current pope has quashed such things. A Vatican III, which I pray will eventually occur, should be a final reach out to unify Christ's churches into one body again.

[meandog]

IOW, would a protestant fan of Vatican II be welcomed even if his hopes that a prayed-for Vatican III go above and beyond in ecumenical outreach... ...now who could possible imagine that a protestant would be a fan of VatII??? I mean, what a surprise...also, what would you think would be proper for “above and beyond” in ecumenism? Instead of being protestant lite like we are now, should we simply give it up and become Anglicans, once and for all, so that the Reformation’s goal of destroying the Roman rite may be completed? just wondering, is all...

The basic reason is my belief that Christ intended a "one apostolic and holy catholic Church" --"catholic" with a lower-case "c"!

[Salvation]

I do think the translations will filter down. Let’s just hope that they don’t get watered down in process. We can understand these words — we don’t need high school English in these. (Probably closer to fourth of fifth grade English, in my opinion.)

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I didn’t maek it Catholic Caucus because I think some other faithful who have wandered away will start coming back.

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Thank you for quoting the Religion Moderator’s guidelines.

[ArrogantBustard]

Perhaps if the thread were tagged “ecumenical” then we can have an ecumenical dialogue with meadog (and others), without inviting all the nonsense that seems to accompany “open” threads.

[Salvation]

I think you will be able to find the missals as soon as the bishops approve this and it gets published.

As for hymns, type them up and use and overhead projector or put them on CD and use the projector with them. It’s great, because everyone can sing.

[Salvation]

Another council make take place, but if it is focused on unity, I would expect it to be held in another city, perhaps Jerusalem? Who knows??

[ArrogantBustard]

I was able to experience a Crucio--which came out of Vatican II,

Do you by any chance mean a "Cursillo"?

If so, that movement began in Spain, in the 1940s or '50s. I think it showed up in USA in the early '70s. At least, that's when I first ran across it. It may be older.