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Adam, Eve, and Evolution
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| 8/10/04
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Posted on 06/17/2009 1:26:36 PM PDT by bdeaner
The controversy surrounding evolution touches on our most central beliefs about ourselves and the world. Evolutionary theories have been used to answer questions about the origins of the universe, life, and man. These may be referred to as cosmological evolution, biological evolution, and human evolution. Ones opinion concerning one of these areas does not dictate what one believes concerning others.
People usually take three basic positions on the origins of the cosmos, life, and man: (1) special or instantaneous creation, (2) developmental creation or theistic evolution, (3) and atheistic evolution. The first holds that a given thing did not develop, but was instantaneously and directly created by God. The second position holds that a given thing did develop from a previous state or form, but that this process was under Gods guidance. The third position claims that a thing developed due to random forces alone.
Related to the question of how the universe, life, and man arose is the question of when they arose. Those who attribute the origin of all three to special creation often hold that they arose at about the same time, perhaps six thousand to ten thousand years ago. Those who attribute all three to atheistic evolution have a much longer time scale. They generally hold the universe to be ten billion to twenty billion years old, life on earth to be about four billion years old, and modern man (the subspecies homo sapiens) to be about thirty thousand years old. Those who believe in varieties of developmental creation hold dates used by either or both of the other two positions.
The Catholic Position
What is the Catholic position concerning belief or unbelief in evolution? The question may never be finally settled, but there are definite parameters to what is acceptable Catholic belief.
Concerning cosmological evolution, the Church has infallibly defined that the universe was specially created out of nothing. Vatican I solemnly defined that everyone must "confess the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing" (Canons on God the Creator of All Things, canon 5).
The Church does not have an official position on whether the stars, nebulae, and planets we see today were created at that time or whether they developed over time (for example, in the aftermath of the Big Bang that modern cosmologists discuss). However, the Church would maintain that, if the stars and planets did develop over time, this still ultimately must be attributed to God and his plan, for Scripture records: "By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all their host [stars, nebulae, planets] by the breath of his mouth" (Ps. 33:6).
Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him.
Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that mans body developed from previous biological forms, under Gods guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.
While the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions, it in no circumstances permits belief in atheistic evolution.
The Time Question
Much less has been defined as to when the universe, life, and man appeared. The Church has infallibly determined that the universe is of finite agethat it has not existed from all eternitybut it has not infallibly defined whether the world was created only a few thousand years ago or whether it was created several billion years ago.
Catholics should weigh the evidence for the universes age by examining biblical and scientific evidence. "Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth" (Catechism of the Catholic Church 159).
The contribution made by the physical sciences to examining these questions is stressed by the Catechism, which states, "The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers" (CCC 283).
It is outside the scope of this tract to look at the scientific evidence, but a few words need to be said about the interpretation of Genesis and its six days of creation. While there are many interpretations of these six days, they can be grouped into two basic methods of reading the accounta chronological reading and a topical reading.
Chronological Reading

According to the chronological reading, the six days of creation should be understood to have followed each other in strict chronological order. This view is often coupled with the claim that the six days were standard 24-hour days.
Some have denied that they were standard days on the basis that the Hebrew word used in this passage for day (yom) can sometimes mean a longer-than-24-hour period (as it does in Genesis 2:4). However, it seems clear that Genesis 1 presents the days to us as standard days. At the end of each one is a formula like, "And there was evening and there was morning, one day" (Gen. 1:5). Evening and morning are, of course, the transition points between day and night (this is the meaning of the Hebrew terms here), but periods of time longer than 24 hours are not composed of a day and a night. Genesis is presenting these days to us as 24-hour, solar days. If we are not meant to understand them as 24-hour days, it would most likely be because Genesis 1 is not meant to be understood as a literal chronological account.
That is a possibility. Pope Pius XII warned us, "What is the literal sense of a passage is not always as obvious in the speeches and writings of the ancient authors of the East, as it is in the works of our own time. For what they wished to express is not to be determined by the rules of grammar and philology alone, nor solely by the context; the interpreter must, as it were, go back wholly in spirit to those remote centuries of the East and with the aid of history, archaeology, ethnology, and other sciences, accurately determine what modes of writing, so to speak, the authors of that ancient period would be likely to use, and in fact did use. For the ancient peoples of the East, in order to express their ideas, did not always employ those forms or kinds of speech which we use today; but rather those used by the men of their times and countries. What those exactly were the commentator cannot determine as it were in advance, but only after a careful examination of the ancient literature of the East" (Divino Afflante Spiritu 3536).
The Topical Reading
This leads us to the possiblity that Genesis 1 is to be given a non-chronological, topical reading. Advocates of this view point out that, in ancient literature, it was common to sequence historical material by topic, rather than in strict chronological order.
The argument for a topical ordering notes that at the time the world was created, it had two problemsit was "formless and empty" (1:2). In the first three days of creation, God solves the formlessness problem by structuring different.aspects of the environment.
On day one he separates day from night; on day two he separates the waters below (oceans) from the waters above (clouds), with the sky in between; and on day three he separates the waters below from each other, creating dry land. Thus the world has been given form.
But it is still empty, so on the second three days God solves the worlds emptiness problem by giving occupants to each of the three realms he ordered on the previous three days. Thus, having solved the problems of formlessness and emptiness, the task he set for himself, Gods work is complete and he rests on the seventh day.
Real History
The argument is that all of this is real history, it is simply ordered topically rather than chronologically, and the ancient audience of Genesis, it is argued, would have understood it as such.
Even if Genesis 1 records Gods work in a topical fashion, it still records Gods workthings God really did.
The Catechism explains that "Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine work, concluded by the rest of the seventh day" (CCC 337), but "nothing exists that does not owe its existence to God the Creator. The world began when Gods word drew it out of nothingness; all existent beings, all of nature, and all human history is rooted in this primordial event, the very genesis by which the world was constituted and time begun" (CCC 338).
It is impossible to dismiss the events of Genesis 1 as a mere legend. They are accounts of real history, even if they are told in a style of historical writing that Westerners do not typically use.
Adam and Eve: Real People

It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 23) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism).
In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: "When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own" (Humani Generis 37).
The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The Catechism states, "The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents" (CCC 390).
Science and Religion
The Catholic Church has always taught that "no real disagreement can exist between the theologian and the scientist provided each keeps within his own limits. . . . If nevertheless there is a disagreement . . . it should be remembered that the sacred writers, or more truly the Spirit of God who spoke through them, did not wish to teach men such truths (as the inner structure of visible objects) which do not help anyone to salvation; and that, for this reason, rather than trying to provide a scientific exposition of nature, they sometimes describe and treat these matters either in a somewhat figurative language or as the common manner of speech those times required, and indeed still requires nowadays in everyday life, even amongst most learned people" (Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus 18).
As the Catechism puts it, "Methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things the of the faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are" (CCC 159). The Catholic Church has no fear of science or scientific discovery.
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TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; christianity; evolution; genesis
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"Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth" (Catechism of the Catholic Church 159).
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posted on
06/17/2009 1:26:36 PM PDT
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bdeaner
To: bdeaner
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posted on
06/17/2009 1:29:31 PM PDT
by
netmilsmom
(Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
To: Zionist Conspirator; Ethan Clive Osgoode; vladimir998; thefrankbaum; Bigg Red
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06/17/2009 1:29:43 PM PDT
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bdeaner
(The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
To: GodGunsGuts
Don’t know if you’re interested in “Adam, Eve, and Evolution”... :-)
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posted on
06/17/2009 1:31:44 PM PDT
by
Star Traveler
(The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
To: bdeaner
I confess I did not read the article, BUT my take is that evolution (or creationism, or ID, or whatever) is not science but ideology. Science is the evidence based on experimentation and will never be able to give us a definitive answer regarding origins. It annoys me when we are continally asked to accept evolution because it is “science.” It is merely one choice of which glasses through which to observe the scientific evidence. I don’t think this perspective conflicts with the Church.
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06/17/2009 2:29:30 PM PDT
by
sojourner
To: bdeaner
People who believe in a young Earth really confuse me. They're looking for the fingerprints of God. He didn't leave any. It's simple to prove.
Consider light from the farthest star that we can see. How long does that light take to reach Earth? Let's just say 1 billion years. If the Universe is only 10,000 years old, we'd only be able to see that star if God created the star and all of the light that would have come from the star. This is a very important idea and you need to stop for a minute and think about it. Ponder... God created a star AND light that would have come from that star even though the light didn't come from the star. He didn't create something and set it in motion. He created something that was already in motion.
So if the Universe is young, God not only created the Universe, but also the backstory to support the Universe He created. He didn't leave any fingerprints! So expecting to find evidence of a young Earth in the ground is just plain silly. He would have created a backstory to support His creation.
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06/17/2009 2:40:18 PM PDT
by
Tao Yin
To: bdeaner; Pyro7480; vladimir998; Petronski; Ethan Clive Osgoode
I have a sick cat I'm trying to take care of. It's hot and I don't have air conditioning. I just had a terrible scare with my car (tG it was only a piece of brush dragging making the terrible grinding noise from under the dash). I really don't feel like this right now. Nevertheless:
You think I haven't read this before? You think I don't know what most Catholics believe? I spent six years in your church and I had quite enough of it, thank you very much. I don't care if every Catholic who walks the earth is an evolutionist--to subject the origin of the universe to naturalism while professing belief in such supernatural phenomena as transubstantiation or the resurrection of J*sus is the height of hypocrisy. Period.
I stand by what I said. Your need to subject the creation of the universe to natural laws that weren't even in existence at that time shows your assumptions. The fact that you accept other impossible things shows your hypocrisy.
I, too, stand by what I said.
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06/17/2009 3:52:32 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
( . . . Vayiqra' Mosheh leHoshe`a Bin-Nun Yehoshu`a.)
To: bdeaner
A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism). This is one I've been pondering. Don't present scientific models claim about 1-2,000 "breeding pairs" were necessary to account for present human biodiversity? Of course the present models can prove flawed.
Also it's interesting to note that Darwinism was less polygenetic than some of the theories it replaced. These held the human races to have been created separately in their respective home continents.
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06/17/2009 4:30:32 PM PDT
by
Dumb_Ox
(http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
To: Zionist Conspirator
Why on earth did you ping me? I merely offered a (rebuked) congratulations for your apology.
I don’t care what you thing of the Church founded by Christ.
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06/17/2009 4:31:20 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
To: Petronski
Why on earth did you ping me? I merely offered a (rebuked) congratulations for your apology. I dont care what you thing of the Church founded by Christ.
I thought you'd already been pinged by bdeaner or didn't want to take a chance.
I'm sorry I slipped up. There's a lot going on today.
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06/17/2009 5:29:36 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
( . . . Vayiqra' Mosheh leHoshe`a Bin-Nun Yehoshu`a.)
To: Zionist Conspirator
My apologies for snapping. I didn’t notice any ping that he might have sent.
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06/17/2009 5:40:02 PM PDT
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Petronski
(In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
To: Petronski
My apologies for snapping. I didnt notice any ping that he might have sent.He probably didn't. To tell you the truth, I had been wanting to ping you to the big creation/transubstantiation I'd been having with bdeaner but could never remember your name till you posted to me. I guess I was just making up for lost time.
I've done enough snapping in my time here. As a '98'er, you're certainly more entitled than I.
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06/17/2009 5:43:20 PM PDT
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Zionist Conspirator
( . . . Vayiqra' Mosheh leHoshe`a Bin-Nun Yehoshu`a.)
To: Dumb_Ox
One thing to remember that the attributes of a class cannot be reduced to an individual. We can have a ton of information about the appearance of First Century Jews, but we cannot know what Jesus looked like. Indeed, it is becoming clearer that twins cease to be identical at the moment of separation, so that the adventure inside the womb is the adventure of persons of increasing disparity.
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06/17/2009 8:49:48 PM PDT
by
RobbyS
(ECCE homo)
To: Zionist Conspirator
Fix your cat and come back when you have time. The thread will still be here.
Just try to keep your cool, brother! ;)
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06/17/2009 10:29:47 PM PDT
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bdeaner
(The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
To: bdeaner
Fix your cat and come back when you have time. The thread will still be here.And my position will still be the same, as will yours, apparently. That being the case, it doesn't seem like either of us is going to accomplish very much.
Just try to keep your cool, brother! ;)
I'll try (beli neder).
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06/18/2009 6:18:25 AM PDT
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Zionist Conspirator
( . . . Vayiqra' Mosheh leHoshe`a Bin-Nun Yehoshu`a.)
To: Zionist Conspirator
That's fine. You seemed to be fired up on the other thread, but that was not really the place for that conversation. So, I thought this would be a more appropriate thread for that. So, if you get an itch for that conversation, here's a place for you. I'd be happy to have the discussion.
Hope your cat is doing better...
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06/18/2009 7:58:59 AM PDT
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bdeaner
(The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
To: bdeaner
That's fine. You seemed to be fired up on the other thread, but that was not really the place for that conversation. So, I thought this would be a more appropriate thread for that. So, if you get an itch for that conversation, here's a place for you. I'd be happy to have the discussion.What is there to discuss? You insist that "uniform natural law" preexisted the creation and governed the entire process, which is self-evidently a silly and uncalled for assumption.
As for being "fired up," I am fired up by hypocrisy. Anytime someone subjects the creation of the universe to "uniform natural law" that was itself in the process of being created, or who insists that the story of Jonah must be a fable because "such a thing just couldn't have happened who then turns around and hypocritically becomes an illiterate peasant when it comes to transubstantiation, the virgin birth, or the resurrection of J*sus I get "fired up." And you are far from the only one who does this. Unfortunately the vast majority of Catholics, both on FR and in the world at large, and certainly the clergy and theologians, are hypocrites of this nature.
We're watching the cat. Thank you for your concern.
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06/18/2009 8:07:31 AM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
( . . . Vayiqra' Mosheh leHoshe`a Bin-Nun Yehoshu`a.)
To: Zionist Conspirator
What is there to discuss? You insist that "uniform natural law" preexisted the creation and governed the entire process, which is self-evidently a silly and uncalled for assumption.
??? When did I EVER day that? You must be thinking of someone else.
I believe there are uniform natural laws WITHIN THE CREATED UNIVERSE, with the EXCEPTION of miracles, which are the direct interventions of God within the natural order that violate that order. Natural laws are based on repeatable, testable principles that can be tested. Miracles are not repeatable. Outside of the known universe, God operates as He wills, although He would not act contrary to His nature -- but for the most part, that nature is a mystery to us mortals, except for what the Lord chooses to reveal to us through revelation in history, tradition and scripture.
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06/18/2009 8:27:07 AM PDT
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bdeaner
(The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
To: Zionist Conspirator
By the way, charges of "hypocrisy" is not 'playing nice.' It would be more respectful if you said there are apparent contradictions, or that my position seems incoherent, but hypocrisy is a strong word and seems to me inflammatory language. If you wish to be heard by your interlocutors, rhetoric matters.
God bless.
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06/18/2009 8:30:28 AM PDT
by
bdeaner
(The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
To: bdeaner
I believe there are uniform natural laws WITHIN THE CREATED UNIVERSEBy insisting that the very beginning of the universe and its formation were subject to natural law, you make natural law something outside creation itself rather than a part of creation that itself had to be created. If natural law is part of creation, then it was coming into being at the same time the universe was and did not govern the universe's formation.
Just because all human beings within our experience must first be conceived by two parents, grow within the mother, be born after nine months as a baby, and then grow up after that does not in the least mean that the very first man had to have originated this way. To say it does is to make "natural law" the master of creation rather than merely another part of it. Ditto for insisting light could not have been created prior to the sun and stars, that "plants can't exist without light" (sure, not in a fully functioning created universe!), etc. To read back into the superntural origin of the world natural processes that came into existence along with it is not only contrary to logic, but frankly to me quite incredible.
And as I also said, the laws of the universe have not always been as they are today. The universe prior to the chet' haqadmon (the first sin) was quite different from afterwards, as it had terrible effects not only on Adam and his family but the universe as a whole. Plus the laws of nature deteriorated further after the Flood and after the Dispersion. Moreover, immortality was restored (at least to Israel) at Sinai and was only removed again at the sink of the golden calf. Natural law simply has never been the uniform phenomenon naturalists hold that it is. For example, Adam and Eve spawned their first five children on the very day they were created. Only after the sin was the human gestation period lengthened to nine months.
I am sorry that my language was offensive to you, but what you propose is basically saying the very same thing in more polite words. Beli neder, I shall endeavor to remember to do this.
However, how am I supposed to react when someone dismisses the things I have pointed out while still insisting on incredible things like transubstantiation and the virgin birth? At least consistent rejection of the supernatural is--well--consistent. It seems to me that the tendency in non-fundamentalist chr*stianity to reject the miracles of the Hebrew Bible while insisting on the miracles of the chr*stian bible (and chr*stian history) is merely (and I mean this as a description, not as a slur) a form of theological anti-Judaism (and yes, obviously fundmentalist chr*stianity is also guilty of theological anti-Judaism, albeit of a different kind). Historical chr*stianity began by rejecting the law and ceremonial of the Hebrew Bible while insisting on the power of its own; it is only natural that eventually it would do the same with the narratives of the Hebrew Bible.
What does one make of such a religion? What kind of religion condemns the rituals of "its own Bible" as "Judaising" or "Pelagian" while thundering at Protestants that they must partake of its own sacraments and observe its own holidays? What kind of religion admits that G-d's Very Mouth proclaimed such festivals as Pesach and Sukkot but that these are now forbidden, while holidays derived from paganism (like Xmas and All Saints) are "holy days of obligation?" What kind of church "baptizes" Indian totem poles but condemns American folk Protestantism for its devotion to the Bible?
I'm sorry. That's just . . . "apparently inconsistent."
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06/18/2009 9:11:06 AM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
( . . . Vayiqra' Mosheh leHoshe`a Bin-Nun Yehoshu`a.)
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