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Why Stop at the Vestibule of the Castle of Pleasure?
Catholic Pundit ^ | June 22, 2009

Posted on 06/22/2009 4:02:21 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 06/22/2009 4:02:21 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
According to Wikipedia, when Sheen won an Emmy, Berle quipped, 'He's got better writers.'"

The archbishop was approached by the press who asked if he would divulge the names of his writers. Archbishop Sheen smiled graciously and said: "Of course. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John".

2 posted on 06/22/2009 4:03:58 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Isn’t it amazing that a man of the cloth could have such an understanding of the love between a husband and wife?


3 posted on 06/22/2009 4:11:46 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
As I read the post I was reminded of a song our high school choir sang: Falling in Love with Love. It's from Rogers and Hammerstein's CINDERELLA. YouTube has it at www.youtube.com/watch?v=muXyYpDstr0
4 posted on 06/22/2009 4:11:55 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney
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To: NYer

Fulton Sheen was an amazing man. His talks of decades ago are fresh and timely today. Truly he was a master communicator.

http://www.fultonsheen.com/Fulton-Sheen-MP3.cfm


5 posted on 06/22/2009 4:15:42 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: NYer; Victoria Delsoul

I love listening to Archbishop Sheen. He can be found on Relevant Radio.com. Evenings from 9:00 - 10:00. (CST)


6 posted on 06/22/2009 4:16:25 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Northern Yankee

EWTN also reruns his programs. They are such a delight!


7 posted on 06/22/2009 4:21:20 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

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8 posted on 06/22/2009 4:32:14 PM PDT by mel
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To: NYer

He looks a little like Nixon (not that that’s a bad thing).


9 posted on 06/22/2009 4:48:50 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: NYer

“According to Wikipedia, when Sheen won an Emmy, Berle quipped, ‘He’s got better writers.’””

I also heard once that Berle said Sheen had a better sponsor, meaning God of course!


10 posted on 06/22/2009 4:49:55 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Well, Nixon was black-Irish in his ancestery.


11 posted on 06/22/2009 8:24:49 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: RobbyS

Never knew that!


12 posted on 06/22/2009 10:19:19 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: oprahstheantichrist; RobbyS
Nixon wasn't Black Irish -- he was a Borderer. Nixon is a very common Borders name, and that's where his people were from.

You can read in the foreword to George MacDonald Fraser's wonderful history of the border reivers, The Steel Bonnets, how he got a jolt of recognition at Nixon's inauguration seeing Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Billy Graham all side by side. Not only are all three names Border names and still very common there, but each of the men's faces was a recognizable Border type that you can see anytime in Carlisle or Jedburgh - the big rawboned, bulbous-nosed Johnson, the leonine Graham, the wee dark fierce-browed Nixon.

13 posted on 06/23/2009 1:18:40 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I’ll defer to you.


14 posted on 06/23/2009 3:57:51 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: trisham
[W]hen sex is divorced from love there is a feeling that one has been stopped at the vestibule of the castle of pleasure

What on Earth would an unmarried celibate man know about either sex or love?

Isn’t it amazing that a man of the cloth could have such an understanding of the love between a husband and wife?

Impossible is a better word.

15 posted on 06/23/2009 4:02:01 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: RobbyS
I'd much rather you deferred to Fraser, who really knew his stuff.

Most people start with his Flashman books, but if you want a great read, I highly recommend his MacAuslan stories, or the aforesaid Steel Bonnets.

There was nothing meaner than a Johnson or an Armstrong on a bad day.

And I say that as a descendant of the most notorious clan of cattle thieves, kidnappers, and protection men over in the West Highlands - the MacGregors.

16 posted on 06/23/2009 4:14:05 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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You might as well ask, how can a drug counselor give advice if he's never taken drugs.

It's my experience that somebody who stands outside a situation with a clear eye is in a lot better position to advise than somebody who may well have similar issues bothering him or her. Same reason lawyers never represent themselves or close family (if they're smart).

I've seen marriage counselors who are bitter divorced women themselves advise women to end marriages for no better reason than their own private demons.

When I was an Episcopalian, the married priests would not give you any personal advice at all. They would just pawn you off onto a "family therapist".

On the other hand, both myself and my daughter have received valuable and wise advice from our current rector -- an old-fashioned Irish priest with 40 years under his belt, a gruff exterior and a heart of pure gold.

17 posted on 06/23/2009 4:21:10 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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You might as well ask, how can a drug counselor give advice if he's never taken drugs.

The competent ones are always recovering addicts themselves. Trust me, I know.

Same reason lawyers never represent themselves or close family (if they're smart).

But they do hire other lawyers. The analogy fails there, I think.

I've seen marriage counselors who are bitter divorced women themselves advise women to end marriages for no better reason than their own private demons.

That's true, but irrelevant.

an old-fashioned Irish priest with 40 years under his belt, a gruff exterior and a heart of pure gold.

He sounds like a fine man. But personally I think getting advice about sex and marriage from someone who's never personally experienced either makes about as much sense as taking driving lessons from a blind man or asking a deaf mute to explain Beethoven.

Strictly my opinion.

Their was one Catholic priest I would have taken such advice from as he'd been married for 23 years and raised 4 kids before his wife passed and he joined the Priesthood.

He was a man who's advice could be trusted as he'd been there, done that, and had the T-shirt.

I was deeply saddened at Father Ed's passing. Even though I'm not Catholic he was a man whose opinion I valued and respected, and not just about matters matrimonial.

My best to you.

L

18 posted on 06/23/2009 4:46:52 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
Well, the point is that they're recovered, not users.

Look at it like this. Almost any priest understands exactly what he's given up. They know sexual temptation, and sexual conflict, they've wrestled with those questions extensively as part of their formation. They aren't bloodless manikins. But they have dealt with it and sacrificed their personal gratification to be the spouse of the Church instead. So really in a way they have been there, but not any longer, just like your example of a better drug counselor.

That's yet another reason, by the way, that homosexuals shouldn't be priests. They do not sacrifice marital love, sex and children to serve God (in fact you could argue they're actually advancing the likelihood of gaining their desires). They don't even understand what they're giving up.

Sounds like Fr. Ed has a place with the angels. Best to you too.

19 posted on 06/23/2009 4:58:26 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Almost any priest understands exactly what he's given up.

Maybe, but I'm of the opinion that one can't really understand something one has never experienced. You can't explain a roller coaster ride to someone who's never been on one. You can't explain color to a blind person or music to a deaf one.

to be the spouse of the Church instead. ...

Please don't take this the wrong way, but the Church isn't a woman. And there is absolutely NOTHING on this planet more difficult to understand than a woman. Nothing.

Sounds like Fr. Ed has a place with the angels.

I certainly hope that's true. He was a fine man and my niece and nephew miss him terribly.

I bid you a pleasant evening ma'am.

L

20 posted on 06/23/2009 5:30:21 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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