Never.
We of course Mary had other Children...You know how we know that??? Because God told us it was so...He told you as well, but you like to call God a liar...
Not only did Mary have other kids, she was as full of sin as you or I...She had to be...
For you not to believe that shows you don't know or understand the person of Jesus...
Jesus became flesh so that he could be one of us...He needed to endure temptation like we do...He needed to feel pain like we do...
Had Mary been sinless, it would have been a waste of time for Jesus to become flesh and blood...Jesus had to understand our fleshy, sinful nature...If Mary was sinless, Jesus did not become one of us...
That is your misinterpretation of Scripture. It is of no use to me.
Had Mary been sinless, it would have been a waste of time for Jesus to become flesh and blood...Jesus had to understand our fleshy, sinful nature...If Mary was sinless, Jesus did not become one of us...
If that's what you call logic, I can understand your confusion.
That may be your conclusion from a personal analysis of Scripture but it flies in the face of 2,000 years of Christian tradition, the writings of the Church fathers and the teaching of the Church. Furthermore, numerous saints and mystics have testified to her perpetual virginity.
Reject all of that and cling to your own reading of Scripture at your peril. To do so is highly imprudent.
Not only did Mary have other kids, she was as full of sin as you or I...She had to be...
She had to be? How can you write this stuff when every authoritative theologian, saint, doctor of the Church and teacher down through the centuries has said the exact opposite and expounded the reasons for so teaching in clear, lucid thoughts?
Have you not read the voluminous writings on the Blessed Virgin? Or have you read them and simply rejected them? The former is ignorance, the latter is simply pride and the height of imprudence.
For you not to believe that shows you don't know or understand the person of Jesus...
And you do, of course.
Now you're adding "presumption" to your other errors. Your statement implies that we make up our mind on these issues in the same way that you do; in splendid isolation and blissful ignorance. We don't.
Our "belief" on the virginity and sinlessness of Mary is not a personal decision. We humbly submit ourselves to the accumulated wisdom of millenia and the teaching authority which Jesus gave to his apostles. We believe that the Church indeed knows Jesus as do his saints and holy ones.
What folly to make this a purely personal call and then lack the wisdom and prudence to not shout it to the world?
Jesus became flesh so that he could be one of us...He needed to endure temptation like we do...He needed to feel pain like we do...
And he did.
He was "like unto us in all things, save sin." That he did not experience. He was sinless.
How could the sinless one be enclosed for 9 months in a place of sin? There is a saying; Where God is, sin isn't". The converse is also true.
The temple of God is holy, is it not? The place where the Ark of the Covenant dwelt was known as the Holy of Hollies. Now Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant. Could Jesus the bearer of the New Covenant be enclosed in a place of sin while the former Ark resided in the Holy of Hollies?
Mary was the temple where God dwelt for 9 months. She was God's temple.
Had Mary been sinless, it would have been a waste of time for Jesus to become flesh and blood...Jesus had to understand our fleshy, sinful nature...If Mary was sinless, Jesus did not become one of us...
Where did you get this nonsense? Jesus, who is God, "had to understand"?? Are you serious?
Scripture tells us that "Jesus knew men's hearts". He knew all things. Jesus did not "have to understand". He was like unto us in all things. Save sin.
Jesus was sinless and so was the flesh which bore Him.
Scripture says that Jesus had "brothers and sisters". None of those "brothers and sisters" are ever identified as sons or daughters of Mary.